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After confronting people out on the street with what the Word of God says and then reading what is happening in the news, I have to ask the question, "Why are the pro-family groups having such a hard time discussing the crime of homosexuality?" What has become evident to me is the fact that most of these groups do not publicly address homosexuality as a crime and then demand that our civil authorities arrest, prosecute, and punish the sodomites.

Christians need to understand that this is the same mistake that the pro-life groups made years ago by not addressing the criminal activity of murder -- by abortion. In the 60's and 70's when criminals began to proclaim a right to commit murder (abortion right), pro-life groups capitulated to the false notion that a "right" to murder innocent people by abortion, in fact, existed, which led them to erroneously conclude that a particular method of murdering people could then be regulated legislatively (abortion regulations). Many Christians who bought into that tragic mind-set now find themselves entangled in endless debate over medical procedures, licensing regulations, etc., while criminals are allowed to murder children with impunity.

We see exactly the same thing happening with the false claim of gay rights. Many pro-family groups are capitulating to the false notion that "gay rights," in fact, exist and therefore, are not maintaining their focus on addressing the truth that homosexuality is a crime.

Consequently, these groups are now finding themselves in protracted, defensive strategies over gay marriage, same-sex unions, domestic partner benefits and gay adoption while the criminals are allowed to sodomize each other and members of society with impunity.

When ministering to homosexuals, one of the first things we let them know is that there is no such thing as a right to commit sodomy.

Jim Rudd, Covenant News 43 Comments [9/20/2012 5:52:34 AM]
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D Laurier

Rudd... The only "crime" of homosexuality, is the violence of repressed closet boys like yourself.

9/20/2012 6:03:21 AM

The Crimson Ghost

Sorry Mr Rudd-your side has lost. Suck it up & do something useful with your life-once you get one.

9/20/2012 6:06:27 AM

fishtank

Oh shut up.

9/20/2012 6:09:19 AM

Filin De Blanc

Notice how he rants about the evils of abortion here but in the other quote submitted today he talks about how we need to execute gay people. Yet another person who believes in protecting the unborn, then killing them as soon as they grow up to be someone he doesn't like.

9/20/2012 6:21:14 AM

dionysus

I can see the abortion=murder argument. I don't agree with it (and neither does science or the law), but I can see how someone can say it is, even from a non-religious perspective. However, you can't possibly make homosexuality a crime because it has absolutely no logic. Nobody is harmed, everyone involved consents, and unlike drugs homosexuality is not a conscious choice nor is it a controlled substance. It's an interaction between two consenting adults. The reason the "pro-family" (they're anti-family in my opinion as they are against increasing the number of families) groups don't try to fight the battle to make homosexuality illegal (at least not publicly) is because they know they don't have a legal leg to stand on. You can't discriminate against 10% of the population and deny them the right to exist on religious grounds. That kind of thing may fly in the 1800s, but not now. Xenophobia is no longer a valid legal reason to deny people their rights.

@Filin De Blanc

I'm so used to it by now that I completely missed that. Thank you for pointing it out!

9/20/2012 6:21:57 AM

Dr.Shrinker

"...this is the same mistake that the pro-life groups made years ago by not addressing the criminal activity of murder..."

- Are you kidding Rudd?!? The anti-abortion crowd loves to throw around the word "murder." Being loud, shrill and emotionally manipulative has never been a problem for them.

9/20/2012 6:40:12 AM

Doubting Thomas

"Why are the pro-family groups having such a hard time discussing the crime of homosexuality?"

Probably because it's not a crime.

What has become evident to me is the fact that most of these groups do not publicly address homosexuality as a crime and then demand that our civil authorities arrest, prosecute, and punish the sodomites.

You're way behind the times. The Supreme Court ruled that anti-sodomy laws are unconstitutional.

Christians need to understand that this is the same mistake that the pro-life groups made years ago by not addressing the criminal activity of murder -- by abortion.

Probably because abortion is legal, though that doesn't keep the pro-life crowd from throwing the words "murder" and "baby killer" around.

You know, you people really hurt your own cause by claiming that certain activities are illegal when the government has determined otherwise.

9/20/2012 6:50:39 AM

UHM

sin!=crime

Sin derives from religion.
Crime from law.

9/20/2012 7:23:42 AM

Anon-e-moose

"After confronting people out on the street with what the Word of God says and then reading what is happening in the news, I have to ask the question, "Why are the pro-family groups having such a hard time discussing the crime of homosexuality?"

Because homosexuality is completely legal. And Roe vs. Wade makes abortion legal too.

And either way, such matters - as they don't affect you & your ilk personally - have no relevance to you & your 'beliefs' whatsoever.

...unless you'd like we Atheists to start interfering with your religion - via legislation - to the effect that we have every right in the world to rewrite your Bible to our whims & fancies; also that your preachers must state as Holy Writ that a 'God' doesn't exist, etc, or your churches face closure if you don't accept what we say.

...what's that, you say? You wouldn't like that?Well then. Fuck off out of matters that you have absolutely no right whatsoever to even think about interfering in.

9/20/2012 7:40:15 AM

breakerslion

Your insane beliefs =/= The Law.

STFU.

9/20/2012 7:51:44 AM



Ted Haggard. nuff said.

9/20/2012 8:10:26 AM

Reynardine

War, famine, genocide, drought, rising sea levels, economic and ecologic ruin threaten us, and all you can do is obsess about what goes on in other people's underpants.

9/20/2012 8:16:18 AM



Sodomy is NOT illegal in the USA. You are afe getting a blowjob or engaging in Buttsexxx(tm).

Any criminal actually murdering a child will be brought to trial if caughr. A Doctor providing a legal service being terrorised by Christians is just wrong and the Christians will burn in hell for doing it. Read your bible.

9/20/2012 8:18:32 AM

John

What has become evident to me is the fact that most of these groups do not publicly address homosexuality as a crime and then demand that our civil authorities arrest, prosecute, and punish the sodomites.

Maybe because unlike you, they don't really give a crap about sticking their holier-than-thou, hate-filled, judgmental, pecksniffing noses into stuff that's none of their business.

9/20/2012 8:49:05 AM

Swede

What does the Word of God say about when someone becomes a person? It's certainly not at conception. The only thing it says about this, to my knowledge, is that a child is counted among its people on the fortieth day after birth.

Sure, there is not such a thing as a right to commit sodomy. There is also no such thing as a right to commit missionary sex, either, dumbass. There is simply no such thing as a right to have sex. If you're lucky enough, you find someone who you are attracted to, and who is in turn attracted to you, and you agree to have sex. Or you find someone who procure certain services for a pecuniary reimbursement.

We generally prohibit things that harm people, or harm society. In what way can two consenting adults of the same gender living together harm anyone or society?

9/20/2012 9:21:29 AM

Zagen30

"In what way can two consenting adults of the same gender living together harm anyone or society?"

Because then children will get confused, and society will collapse, and it's all dem libruls fallts!

Won't somebody please think of the children?

9/20/2012 9:30:33 AM

Mister Spak

Nazi Germany outlawed abortion and homosexuality. If someone had kicked their ass over these policies the way Americans kicked yours, Hitler would not have caused as much trouble as he did.

9/20/2012 9:38:06 AM

freako104

I am glad you were not with me in college. You failed so hard that the entire class would be held back. Learn the difference between sin and crime.

9/20/2012 9:50:54 AM



oh ya, because a political activist group that tries to oppress people is definetly going to win its battles for ever and ever if they just take a harder stance. may i remind you that saying abortion is murder, does not make it murder.

not liking sodomy does not make sodomy criminal. and besides, good luck convicting 2 consenting adults. youd need an orwellian style police state to catch anyone.

9/20/2012 9:57:40 AM

nazani14

"When ministering to homosexuals"
Thank you for making gays laugh.

9/20/2012 10:32:24 AM

dp

okay, you think homosexuality is wrong. fine. i think that's a stupid opinion, but it's yours. so don't have gay sex.

"Why do you see the speck in your neighbor's eye, but do not notice the log in your own eye? Or how can you say to your neighbor, 'Friend, let me take out the speck in your eye,' when you yourself do not see the log in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your neighbor's eye."


9/20/2012 11:17:18 AM

Ebon

Things which are legal are, by definition, not crimes.

9/20/2012 12:16:40 PM

Oh My Dog!

...are allowed to sodomize each other and members of society with impunity.

Methinks somebody is very deep in the closet.

9/20/2012 1:49:32 PM

Old Viking

It's all legally legal, Jim.

9/20/2012 2:18:14 PM



perhaps because being a homosexual or even engaging in homosexual acts like anal sex is not a criminal act in the United States.


9/20/2012 2:18:43 PM
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