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I am particularly upset about what happened this past Friday. I am in a summer school course, and it is grade 12 history. We were tasked with a group project on iconic historical figures, and to my dismay, my group chose Adolf Hitler.

It was not to my dismay because I dislike Hitler - I actually believe he was a visionary who had forseen the inevitable war of races. It was that I don't like confrontation much, and I understand that these beliefs upset some people. Regardless of this, I defend my beliefs.

In this case, I feel as thought my free speech was silenced, and my rights violated. Here's what happened:

So, as we met after class to begin our work at the library, my group began a discussion about the holocaust right off the bat. I mentioned that I don't really believe it happened for various reasons, and they were astonished. They began prying more for my beliefs, and I ended up admitting that I didn't think Hitler was a bad guy, and then the ONE black guy in our group who happened to also be the only guy in our class who was black asked me if I disliked the Jews. I answered honestly, and told him I didn't like or dislike them, but felt my race to be superior. He then called me a racist and said I probably hate blacks too. I answered him honestly, and told him that I think blacks are ruining the country and are uncultured and vulgar, and he just got really mad and stormed out of the library. About an hour later, our teacher shows up in person, and I began to panic. I was told to accompany her to the school. She called the principle of the school, and the situation was explained via conference call, and I was expelled. I just don't know what to think about all this.

APride, Stormfront.org 34 Comments [9/23/2012 6:37:19 AM]
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A Buddhist

Kamma banes, but in this case it benefits!

If thy ideas are so repulsive to others, maybe they should be reconsidered.

9/23/2012 6:59:18 AM

Danarth

Well, here is the lesson...Hitler was not a good guy, racism is not clever and people don't react well to either.

9/23/2012 7:09:22 AM

Canadia

If that actually happened, I don't agree expulsion was the best course. You could stand a few bits of reality being absorbed into your world view, though.

9/23/2012 7:12:48 AM

D Laurier

Hitler was a lazy, manipulative, scheeming, self entitled, dogmatic, egomaniac.
He dropped out of art school because he wanted to be a famous painter, but he didnt want to actualy learn how to paint (to much effort)... and then he blamed "the jews" for his failure to become a respected artist.
His racial fantasys were, even then, being refuted by the new science of evolutionary biology. But he clung on in the face of observable reality.

But he liked dogs and small children. And his streetscape watercolours were passable, if rather dull and uninteresting.

9/23/2012 7:45:53 AM

JeanP

"In this case, I feel as thought my free speech was silenced, and my rights violated."

If it means that you were expelled for saying you believe Blacks and Jews are inferiors who are ruining the country and that Hitler was a visionnary even though "[you] don't like confrontation much", then it's not a trampling of your rights but simply the way the school prevents you to insult other alumnis.

And if being a visionnary is being a dictator who trigered a world war, brutally repressed the opponents, massacring civilian populations (Lidice, Oradour, etc), planning to exterminate the Jews and enslaving entire nations (Slavs) because you believed they were Untermenschen who occuped rightful Aryan Lebensraum (and yes, Holocaust really haappened) and dragging your country in the doom and the dishonor, making it lose one quarter of territory and a tenth of population and being occuped, ruined and divided, then you should buy yourself another dictionnary.

9/23/2012 8:11:30 AM

Rabbit of Caerbannog


9/23/2012 8:22:15 AM

Leighton Buzzard

In the unlikely event any of this is true, Rabbit has nailed it.

9/23/2012 8:42:33 AM

Reynardine

I think you have just awakened, in a drunken and defiled condition, next to an equally drunken and defiled pooch.

9/23/2012 8:44:14 AM

Oh My Dog!

I just don't know what to think about all this.

How about think about what you did to get yourself expelled. Think about why people find what you say to be offensive. Put yourself in the shoes of someone who is Jewish or black and imagine what you would do if someone said that to you.

9/23/2012 8:53:22 AM

Darwin

"She called the principle of the school..."

Obviously your PRINCIPAL has PRINCIPLES because you were tossed out on your ass. And if you ever get back in think of studying English a little better.

9/23/2012 9:04:10 AM



"I feel as thought my free speech was silenced, and my rights violated."

Not at all... your right to free speech was allowed. You were able to spout your crap. Your right to the consequences of your free speech was allowed... you were punished for your incredibly offensive and disgusting beliefs.

"I just don't know what to think about all this."

You exercised your rights, now suffer the consequences. (free speech means you are free to say something... it doesn't mean you are free from any consequences resulting from what you say...)

9/23/2012 10:08:19 AM

UHM

You told a member of another race you thought he was inferior to you by birth - wtf did you think would happen? You can be happy he didn't beat the shit out of you on spot. I sure would have.

9/23/2012 10:28:08 AM

fishtank

Cut all this suffering short and kill yourself now, just like Hitler.


In Germany, we'd beat you up.

9/23/2012 10:47:32 AM

nazani14

I don't believe this happened. The odds of being expelled for something you purportedly did away from school, unobserved by any school staff, are vanishingly small.

9/23/2012 11:37:25 AM

Rhowena

Free speech runs both ways. If you're allowed to support a mass-murderer, insist that you are racially superior to the Jews, and tell a black kid that you think black people are "uncultured and vulgar," your classmates are allowed to call you a racist scumbag for it.

9/23/2012 1:46:11 PM

Ironchew

>I don't like confrontation much.
>Regardless of this, I defend my beliefs.

APride, there's a big difference between having a reasoned debate about your beliefs (evidence matters here!) and insulting people you don't like in an entirely unprovoked way.

>I just don't know what to think about all this.

It might work as a stand-up comedy routine, but I wouldn't try it in real life...wait, you did? What did you say again?

>I don't like confrontation much.

You were lucky you avoided physical confrontation. Keep your unwarranted attitudes about racial superiority to yourself m'kay?

9/23/2012 2:34:04 PM

ScrappyB

Looks like the racist wankstain actually DID get an important lesson in school. Freedom of speech does not mean freedom from the consequences of what you say. Seeing that they're in summer school and posting on Stormfront, I'd guess the odds of them actually learning that lesson are low.

9/23/2012 3:17:18 PM

anon

this is not acceptable action on the school's part. The point of school is to educate its students, and it seems like expelling the least educated ones instead of explaining the truth to them is directly contradictory to that point.

You don't have the right to not be offended. That's the whole point of free speech. So sure, call this racist idiot a racist idiot, but you shouldn't be cutting her off from an education (which she could really use!)

9/23/2012 7:22:20 PM

Wykked Wytch


9/23/2012 7:29:42 PM

AbsurdONE

Free speech in public is one thing, but institutions are not the public, and they're permitted to set their own standards and codes of conduct. If you violate those standards, they're not required to put up with you. Employers can fire you and school can expell you. Don’t be so surprised.

9/23/2012 7:58:47 PM

Balthazar The Wise

"If thy ideas are so repulsive to others, maybe they should be reconsidered."

Liberal, civilized ideas are repulsive to many conservatives/fundamentalists.

Ultimately, truth is not a majority vote. I certainly believe her views were wrong, but not because it hurt someones feelings.

9/23/2012 9:38:15 PM

thatotherguy

A later post by the same poster:

My parents are very angry, but also at me for being so blunt. They say I shouldn't have said anything to him at all. When asked his morning, the principle referred to what I said as "unadulterated and unequivocal discrimination against minorities" and said my thoughts were toxic to the student body. The black guy's parents are apparently going to be seeking legal council against the school and probably myself, and apparently the black guy has been a victim of racially motivated bullying. I don't know if I should feel bad about that.. He's another human being but is that even my concern? Like, blacks are more violent anyway, but this is kind of all freaking me out. I've never had things explode in my face like this... and I'm worrying that I'll have to find a new school.

Well fuck.

I really hope this kid grows beyond his parents apparent warped morals, because it's clear that he could...but I find it rather unlikely. And that just makes me feel like crap.

9/23/2012 9:55:28 PM

Raised by Horses


9/24/2012 1:25:25 AM

Tempus

Hitler was a visionary in the exact same way that Alfred G. Packer was a chef.

9/24/2012 5:07:41 AM

Doubting Thomas

Gee, I don't know why that black guy got offended and stormed off when all you did was accuse people just like him of ruining the entire country and pointing out that he and everyone like him are uncultured and vulgar.

9/24/2012 6:54:41 AM
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