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The Crimson Ghost
Anyone else hear that bubbling noise? It was the sound of Romney's campaign sinking. Hopefully no one will try to save it.
10/1/2012 12:34:23 PM
...and Mitt has alienated 47% of the voters.
10/1/2012 12:51:48 PM
This is just stunning. I hope that Mitt and his lying debt-addicted flunky Ryan are permanently barred from the White House for this.
These aren't entitlements, it's called living in a society. And by the way, that 47% still pays more on average in taxes than you do(15% compared to 9%), you loathesome leech.
10/1/2012 12:52:40 PM
Mitt Romney or The Stench is a joke!
Somehow he reminds me too much of Count de Monet
from Mel Brooks History of the World Part 1
10/1/2012 12:57:54 PM
All that needs to be said.
10/1/2012 1:20:24 PM
I'm retired and living off the money I have saved over the years plus Canada Pension which I paid into during all the years I worked.
I'm ok. Some are not. I sleep better knowing that everyone can feel entitled to food, housing and medical care.
There but for the grace of (insert deity of choice) go you and I.
American seems to be in danger of slipping back into the 18th century that Dickens wrote about where the poor were considered to be poor for a reason - and who cares anyway.
I care. Lots of us care.
10/1/2012 1:38:18 PM
10/1/2012 1:38:34 PM
So you heard that retired conservative voters who don't pay income tax because, you know, retried. Don't vote for Mitt, he doesn't give a shit about you.
10/1/2012 2:47:05 PM
"[There are people] who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it."
As I explained with a tl;dr level of verbosity in an earlier post, these are the people who have a healthy sense of self-worth and self-respect. You hate yourself and think you're worthless if you don't believe you are entitled to the basic necessities of survival. Having a sense of entitlement is not inherently bad. Believing you're entitled to the things necessary to survive and reach your fullest potential is not the same as believing you're entitled for the world to worship the ground you walk on and cater to your every whim and desire.
@somecommonsense: "I'm so bitter that I think everyone should have to suffer and struggle to have a decent life because I did." Same message in half the words. It's funny how many people don't bat an eye at the sort of thing you said, but they would think people who said something like "Everyone should have to be robbed / in a car wreck / paralyzed / bullied / abused / etc. because I was" are screwed up, yet that's the exact same logic you used. The right wing in this country has literally taught a large portion of the population to hate themselves and cry foul when someone has the "audacity" to believe they are entitled to be treated like their existence matters.
10/1/2012 2:56:13 PM
Pretty normal for a modern (i.e. sociopathic) Republican.
Nearly half the country don't pay federal income tax, largely because they're too poor, and Romney thinks we should soak the poor.
10/1/2012 2:57:39 PM
Whatever you think of his comments this is NOT fundy. It has NOTHING to do with religion. Just because you don't like a comment does not make it 'fundy'.
10/1/2012 3:01:00 PM
Well so many of you paraphrase what I said and ignore what I actually said. What I actually said was
1. I did say we have lots of programs for the poor. I did NOT say we should not have them or we should get rid of them. I simply said we already have lots of programs. I actually support food stamps, free school lunches, and free public school.
2. I did say that a lot of people pay 0 income taxes, and that is true.
3. I did say that there has to be SOME limit on the government programs. We simply cannot afford them all. If you doubt that, look at greece.
4. I did NOT say anythin about banks. Personally I think the bankers responsible for the crash should be in prison.
So before you respond to someone..how about you try responding to what they ACTUALLY write..not your caricature of what they are writing.
BTW the 47% figure applies to adults. And btw check out what qualifies for 'disability' in California drug addicts get disability checks. I personally know someone who received SSN Disability since age 8 for 'arthritis'...but is able to play basketball and play in a band.
10/1/2012 3:04:07 PM
"AND THERE GOES THE BATTLE!!!!!!!" ~ Pokemon Stadium
10/1/2012 3:27:55 PM
You asserted that "Literally 1/2 the country does not pay any taxes." That is a lie.
Romney said "47% of people pay no income tax'. That is also a lie. ~47% of American tax payer units (_anyone_ who filled out an individual tax return, regardless of their age; as well as those who filed as 'married' or 'head of household') pay no federal income tax.
As many others have noted, the vast majority of those people pay state and local income taxes, and federal payroll taxes. Many pay property taxes. Everybody pays sales taxes. And on and on.
And even people who are not paying taxes aren't freeloading. Yes, there are some complete freeloaders in any society, but the fraction is very small. A big reason for that: even in countries with very good social support, the quality of life is a lot lower for people on the dole than it is for almost anyone else.
Also, you said this:
>> As to what people are 'entitled to', I personally am sick of people thinking they are entitled. I grew up dirt poor and worked very hard to become affluent. I was not 'entitled' to anything. I worked for it. <<
You worked hard and acquired a certain amount of wealth. Congratulations.
But you were entitled to a lot.
You benefited from the tax revenues that go to the Department of Education, so that public primary and secondary schooling were freely available and private schooling was regulated to standards to ensure you learned something useful.
You benefited from the tax revenues that go to public health, most particularly large-scale vaccination and sanitation programs, so that you did not get nearly so many diseases as earlier generations had to deal with.
You benefited from labor laws that kept you from being overly exploited by your employers.
You benefited from food programs. Even if you never were on food stamps or a similar program when you grew up, food safety regulations kept the quality of the food you purchased relativity high (albeit not necessarily optimally nutritious).
You benefited from the fire department, the police, the train system (depending on where you live), the highway system, and on and on.
I quote the President of the United States:
"If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you've got a business—you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen."
The phrasing in the last couple of sentences is a bit off, but Obama was right. Your success is possible because all of the United States (actually, broaden that to everybody in the world) has built a society that makes it possible. And that is a good thing.
In a society where everyone is entitled to food, to water, to health care, to housing, and to education, everybody is better off. Certainly there is a limit to how high a quality of life we can afford to give people who are on the dole, but it is far better than nothing at all.
I try to be conscious of the privileges I have had in my life. I can't pay back everyone who has made things easier for me; so I try to pay things forward by making things easier for others.
10/1/2012 3:36:55 PM
Rabbit of Caerbannog
To everyone who keeps saying something isn't fundie because it needs to be religious...you're wrong. This site states this blatantly in the frequently asked questions section. We're not here solely for religious mockery, and if you don't like it, leave.
This means you, thinkaboutit.
10/1/2012 3:37:51 PM
According to BBC News I watched a few hours ago, Obama is advancing in the polls amongst the all-important swing voters.
That first TV debate is very soon. Somehow, I doubt Romney's scriptwriters (who tell him what to think) can coach him on all possible scenarios/eventualities. You know that Obama's going to have an unscripted argumental spanner to throw into the works, that'll make Mitt the Tit either mentally BSOD, or say something that (as far as the post-debate polls are concerned) he won't live to regret. >:D
10/1/2012 3:40:05 PM
You're named after a glove FFS.
10/1/2012 4:37:49 PM
Count de Monet (Harvey Korman): 'It is said that the people are revolting'
King Louis XVI (Mel Brooks): 'You said it! They stink on ice!'
Count de Monet: 'Your Majesty, you look like the piss-boy!'
King Louis XVI: 'And you look like a bucket of shit!'
-'French Revolution' segment, "History of the World (Part I)"
10/1/2012 4:41:34 PM
I'm really, really tired of government bullshit invading everything on the internet. It's childish. Bringing politics into something is the fastest way to kill a good time.
10/1/2012 5:20:32 PM
Yes, this IS fundy. Atheists have quotes on here too, and obviously they aren't religious. Wholly secular things can be fundy. The point of Fundy is that it is short for fundamentalism, in this case a highly fundamentalist ideology of social Darwinism based off of flat-out lies and staggering hypocrisy.
You bet your ass this counts as fundy.
@1453957(the comment before this)
Really. The politics is ruining your good time? Where the fuck have you been all along with people accusing Obama of being the communist Antichrist, advocating the murder of Nancy Pelosi, etc. This entire site has been inherently political SINCE ITS INCEPTION. But apparently you've been trapped under a rock this whole time?
10/1/2012 5:25:41 PM
Additionally, Greece is a terrible example because they have a voluntary tax system; many of the Greek ultra-rich with stakes in shipping, mining and other major industries are the biggest freeloaders of all, which is why so many working Greeks reacted violently to austerity measures that punish them for the transgressions of their employers and overseers. The US tax system is vastly different and does not even bear comparison.
As Anon said, no one makes it "on their own". You employ, sell to, buy from, cooperate with people all the time, and to claim you are the only one who has contributed to your success... Well, it nearly approaches Objectivism in its willing obliviousness. You simply cannot live without community assistance, unless you're happy to hunt and forage for your own food with iron-age weapons and no utilities. Even Thoreau didn't completely forsake trade and aid.
10/1/2012 5:38:33 PM
Not fundy, but asshole-ish nonetheless.
Uh, yeah, Mitt, people are entitled to food, and housing, and health care too. Read the damned Bible, I know you added a bit to your copy, Mitt, but surely you still got the Gospels in there, right?
It is so sad that this guy has a shot because of the obscene amounts of hatred and division the Republican Party and Fox News and there ilk have sown about Barack Obama. 30, 40 years ago, this guy would've lost in a landslide, or likely lost the primaries in a landslide. What the hell happened, America?
10/1/2012 5:46:17 PM
Still fundie; just not directly religiously so (although Romney might be considered a religious fundamentalist as well).
In answer to your question:
44 and 48 years ago, Romney's father was unsuccessful in his campaign for the Republican nomination, although their policies are not the same. But 40 years ago, someone like Obama would not have been able to get elected president of the United States either, because the US population was more racist than it is now.
Change is slow and painful, but the world is better now than it used to be.
10/1/2012 6:00:12 PM
There's a name for some of those no-good, shiftless bums who pay no income tax.
That name is ACTIVE DUTY MILITARY.
The pay given to people who serve in the U.S. armed forces is, by law, not taxable.
But then, I'm not surprised that Romney doesn't know this, because he's never been in the military.
10/1/2012 6:03:57 PM
Lie much Mitt?
10/1/2012 6:14:59 PM
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