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There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what. All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it. That that's an entitlement. And the government should give it to them. And they will vote for this president no matter what…

These are people who pay no income tax.
My job is is not to worry about those people. I'll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives."

Mitt Romney, Mother Jones 140 Comments [10/1/2012 7:24:32 AM]
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Quantum Mechanic

I pay 36% YOU DISGUSTING ASSHOLE.

10/1/2012 6:15:53 PM

Oh My Dog!

conservatives in a nutshell.


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And Mittens, I thought you wanted to win. Well, good luck with that.

10/1/2012 6:34:52 PM

Sasha

@somecommonsense, are you a Christian? You sure don't sound like one. And I'm asking this as an atheist.

10/1/2012 6:36:42 PM

sidhe

To somecommonsense:

I am part of the 47% who pays no federal income tax (very different from "no taxes," which is what Willard said).

I have a master's degree and two professional certifications.

I pay no FIT, but, somehow, after insurance, state tax, social security, medicare, mandatory retirement, etc., I seem to have lost 33% of my paycheck. What's more, since trickle-down douchenozzles like Willard tanked the economy, my profession - librarianship - has seen huge budget cuts, so I don't get paid for my degree.

Despite insurance, I have what is known, formally, as a "shit ton" of medical debt from my wife having such a fantastically fucked up neck that she keeps copies of medical journals the way a former centerfold might keep copies of Playboy ("...and that's what cervical kyphoscoliosis looks like!"). Thus, through no fault of my own, I have a combination of screwed up credit AND huge expenses.

I make too much for assistance, and too little to afford an apartment, thus we have to live with family, and still have to pay rent and bills.

I don't feel "entitled," I feel like I busted my ass and would like to catch a break, much like you probably did to become "affluent." Hell, fuck affluent, I'd like to have a car where both windows roll up.

Mittens wasn't speaking the truth, he was acting like a privileged asshole who was born with a silver spoon in his mouth and has made a career out of shuffling money around without actual physical labor or intellectual skill, and by defending his statement as "truth," you diminish your own success and the extent to which a functional society has buoyed you to reach them. Just 'cause you were able to climb the ladder first doesn't mean you can knock rungs out of it so the next guy can prove he wants it more. :P

10/1/2012 6:48:14 PM

Lotus-Thing

A government exists to provide certain services to its people. These generally include but are not limited to law enforcement, basic education, emergency services such as fire and disaster response, protection from outside threats usually via a military, and yes, health care. The government's job is to provide and care for the people. If you don't want that job, Mitt, stop trying to get it.

10/1/2012 7:17:00 PM

Canadiest

The major point on this 47% that don't pay taxes is that most these people are retired, in the military or veterans or don't make enough money to pay taxes but too much for welfare.
Payroll taxes.
There's property, utility taxes,state taxes and goverment fees for privileges.

I havent found the actual numbers but all these are in that 47% that don't pay PAYROLL taxes. I'm guessing over 20% are in those above.

Way to support your soldiers and the greatest generation there Mitt. You silver spooned trash.

10/1/2012 8:26:36 PM

Kevin Klawitter

Mitt Romney - Born with a silver foot in his mouth.

10/1/2012 8:37:09 PM

evildisgustingmonster

For the people who think this isn't fundy, we're talking about Political fundamentalism here, not religious fundamentalism. Romney has basically boiled the entire country into a black and white set of people. Nevermind payroll, sales, estate, and other taxes. Nevermind that soldiers who have fought for our country are exempt from income taxes on payment for their service. Nevermind that the Elderly and children generally don't have jobs and therefor don't pay income tax. 53% of the country is made up of hardworking, moral, and therefore conservative individuals, while the other 47% who don't pay an income tax are those dirty, feminist, gay, nigger scum out to destroy the constitution! Republican politicians live in a fantasyland of blanket statements where non Republicans are all liberal Democrats demanding handouts and a free phone from the gubment.

10/1/2012 9:29:50 PM

Rabbit of Caerbannog

And The Onion nails it as usual.

10/1/2012 9:46:46 PM

John_in_Oz

Long before Romney was nominated, Ken Goldstein, speaking on 'Political Campaign Debates' in 'five minute lectures' available on iTunes U said:
"Political Science research has shown that Democrats vote for Democrats, Republicans vote for Republicans, and swing voters vote for the winner."
It is an uncontentious statement.
When you include the context, that is the exact point that Romney was making- ommitted from the post is his continuation 'my job is to worry about the five or ten percent undecided.'
In the full speech, his intent is clear; he is telling a Republican audience that he will never be able to persuade Democrat voters to switch their allegiance, adopt Republican values, and vote for him; therefore he must worry about getting the undecided voters.
Presenting this as being Romney claiming that 'President Romney would not worry about half the population' is deliberately dishonest.
Even though this is not fundamentalist, I'd normally have said Romney worded it so badly as to qualify his speech as a 'darnedest thing'. But since I know for a fact that this has been dishonestly edited, I cannot even be sure of that.


10/1/2012 11:19:38 PM

demodocos

@somecommonsense:
Literally 1/2 the country does not pay any taxes (they get 100% back and some even get 'earned income tax credit'...how is it 'fundy' for someone who to question that?
As someone else already pointed out, most of those people do have a job and pay payroll taxes, taxes on gas, food, heating and so on. Then there's elderly people who paid their fair share while they were younger and students who are preparing themselves for a job.

And most of them pay a higher tax rate than Mitt Romney, they're no freeloaders.


As to what people are 'entitled to', I personally am sick of people thinking they are entitled. I grew up dirt poor and worked very hard to become affluent. I was not 'entitled' to anything. I worked for it.

There you are then.

Guess what? You didn't pay federal income tax back when you were poor either.

And according to Mittens, this means you didn't "take personal responsibility and care for your life" but thought you were "entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it".

He's talking about you, buddy.



And it's listed under 'fundy' because "fuck you, I got mine" is the new religion of the far right.

10/1/2012 11:38:51 PM

Tolpuddle Martyr

Hang on Mitt, the guys you are talking to at said country club might take offense - many of them probably don't pay income taxes either.

Still, you couldn't accuse them of being nearly 50% of the population!

10/2/2012 12:30:13 AM

LDM

Or maybe I'm voting for the president because his opponent is an idiot, and represents all that is wrong with America today?

And yes, I pay income tax, and no, I am not dependent upon government. Same with all the other Obama supporters I know.


10/2/2012 3:06:15 AM

sidhe

@John_in_Oz:

I think, even looking at it in that context, it's fundie. After all, what's he saying if you look at it as simply a discussion of undecided voters? The 47% who aren't going to vote for him are shiftless, lazy, moochers. It wasn't, "47% of the voters are Democrats, and not going to vote for me, so I don't need to worry about them," but "47% of the country is dependent upon the government, pays no taxes, and feels entitled to such things as food and housing. They aren't going to vote for me, and I'm not going to worry about them."

If he's saying "I'll never get them to vote Republican due to values," then the implication is that only his party values responsibility.

10/2/2012 3:37:09 AM

Doubting Thomas

And this "47% of people on welfare" idea isn't even true. Fully 3/4 of that 47% are retirees on Social Security. You know, people who paid into it all their lives when they were working.

I'm glad this video surfaced, because it shows how the Republican party is all about favoring the rich while cutting benefits for people who actually need them.

It's going to really be hard to win votes when you say that health care, food, and housing are "entitlements."

Of course, there's also the veiled racism in assuming that these people who are on welfare will vote for the president no matter what because they're obviously black.

10/2/2012 5:47:49 AM

Quantum Mechanic

Go fuck yourself Mitt.

10/2/2012 5:48:59 AM

Anon-e-moose

@Kevin Klawitter

"Mitt Romney - Born with a silver foot in his mouth."



I lost it right there. Good one! X3

10/2/2012 5:59:32 AM

Gloria

@ John-in-Oz

The part where he says his job is not to try to win over hardcore democrats is not Fundie. The part where he implies that all hardcore democrats pay no income tax and live on benefits is Fundie. (not to mention inaccurate)

10/2/2012 8:05:12 AM

Martha Jones

Hey, Mitt. My brother's one of the 47 percenters. He has autism, and probably the developmental skills of a toddler at best. He'll probably never work at a steady job, if that. So you'd let him suffer because he has no responsiblity? Go fuck yourself, you moron.

10/2/2012 10:59:19 AM

Wehpudicabok

A comment does not have to be religious to be fundie. Having an "us versus them" mentality is a hallmark of fundamentalism and this comment exemplifies it.

@somecommonsense:

If you pulled yourself upward on the social ladder, I'm glad for you, but you were one of the lucky ones. Social mobility in the US is the second-lowest in any developed country - only the UK is lower. How can you say that everyone has the same opportunities that you did? Isn't it obvious that the laissez-faire capitalist structure of American society is rigged to benefit exclusively those wealthy enough to lobby for themselves?

@John in Oz:

I agree that this isn't nearly as bad as most of the quotes on this site, but Romney didn't say "I don't have to worry about hardcore Democrats," did he? He said he didn't have to worry about the 47% who pay no income tax, the implication being that they won't vote for him because they don't care about personal responsibility. That's the sort of mentality that aligns with traditionally religious fundamentalism.

@Romney himself:

I do care about personal responsibility. Right now I'm working part-time and about to get my college degree. I'm going to contribute positively to this society and I'm going to do so with my own hard work, not by living on someone else's money.

But I know that not everyone is as lucky as I. Many Americans are born into poverty, and would never have been able to go to college in the first place. How are they supposed to make money for themselves without an education? I'm going to vote for someone who understands that the poor will always be poor as long as government is unwilling to give them the chance to provide for themselves.

10/2/2012 5:14:23 PM

Raised by Horses

Do you hear that? That's the sound of Mitt's ill-advised, plutocratic, robber-baron-esque speech losing him the presidential campaign.

10/2/2012 7:14:53 PM

Evilution Teacher

Assholes say the darndest things - not fundie. Just major arrogance.

10/2/2012 7:26:49 PM

Paler_Face

Way to alienate many of the elderly, veterans, disabled, etc. of the voting public, you idiot. Of course you are going to lose now: you have no faith in the american public, just your little clique of rich white boys.

My job is is not to worry about those people.

A president is there for ALL the people in the USA, not just the richest few, Mr Romney. If you are unwilling to represent 47% of the electorate, then you are unfit to run for president.

10/3/2012 4:18:51 AM

Anon-e-moose

@everyone in this thread

Mitt Romney is a Mor(m)on. How right-wing fundamentalist religious thinking shapes the mindsets of such people.

/debate over


10/3/2012 6:30:32 AM

John_in_Oz

..we all know that in all matters of mere opinion that [every] man is insane--just as insane as we are...we know exactly where to put our finger upon his insanity: it is where his opinion differs from ours....All Democrats are insane, but not one of them knows it. None but the Republicans. All the Republicans are insane, but only the Democrats can perceive it. The rule is perfect: in all matters of opinion our adversaries are insane.
~ Mark Twain

For a political comment to be Fundy, it has to be more than merely crazy by our political belief.
As Wehpudicabok said "A comment does not have to be religious to be fundie. Having an "us versus them" mentality is a hallmark of fundamentalism."
Agreed. And by that definition, the ones who are coming across as Fundy are those who deceptively edited the video to create a caricature of his point, and those who responded with an "us versus them" mentality.
Mitt's portrayal of the 'not us' is over the top, but that's par for the course for political party members of all flavours talking among themselves. What makes many people here see it as Fundy is that it differs from their politics.
I'm pretty sure that when it comes to sidhe, what he(?) and Mitt are saying about him is the same thing. He pays no income tax, could not be persuaded to vote for Romney, and I infer, possibly incorrectly, when he says he doesn't feel entitled but wants a break, he thinks the Government should pay for sidhes family's health care.
They're talking about the same thing, but disagree as to whether it's desirable. That's values and politics, not religion or denial of science. Not Fundy by my definition.
Not saying Romney's words don't deserve mockery and ridicule, they do. But not here.

10/3/2012 6:45:22 AM
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