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Appealing to authority is only fallacious when that to which one appeals has no legitimate authority. Everyone--include Bill Nye--everyone appeals to authority. Nye, and atheists like him, appeals to creation and his own fallible mind. I appeal to the Creator and His infallible Word.

And the fight is over before it begins.

With the above in mind, I will not offer up any pieces of evidence to refute Nye's claims against God and creationism. Everyone looks at the same evidence. The issue is not one of evidence, but rather one of worldview. The atheistic evolutionist interprets the evidence for the glory of self and to perpetrate a sinful denial of God. The Christian interprets the evidence for the glory of God. It's that simple.

Oh, I will slap him around a bit for some of the social truth claims he makes based entirely on conjecture. But I won't argue with him regarding the existence of God the Creator. To do so, to present evidences for the existence of God is, on some level, to assert that God needs to be proven. It is to give legitimacy to the blasphemous notion that God can be put on trial--that convicted criminals (sinners) have the right to cross examine the Judge.

I believe to entertain and engage unbelievers on this level not only fuels and encourages the unbelievers' sinfulness, but it is also a blasphemous exchange on the part of God's proponent. That's right. To allow an unbeliever to put God on trial by participating in such a kangaroo court, even as a well-intentioned and loving defense attorney, is to participate in the unbeliever's blasphemy. And by aiding and abetting such blasphemy, the Christian takes part in the blasphemy and is, therefore, guilty of the same.

In God's Courtroom there is no right against self-incrimination. There is no protection of presumed innocence. There is no right to present an affirmative defense. There is no legal right to object to the Judge's findings and rulings. There can be no motion to have the Judge recuse Himself from the case. In fact, in God's Courtroom there are no trials. There are only days of sentencing.

Tony Miano , Cross Encounters 85 Comments [9/27/2012 3:30:02 AM]
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fishtank

Boooy, you are sick.

9/27/2012 8:29:37 AM

gaijinlaw

Fnog: No girl has the will of a warrior. You have the will of a housewife or, at best, the schoolmarm.
Leela: That's it. I'll take you on right now.
Fnog: Very well. But, you see, I have the will of the warrior. Therefore, the battle is already over. The winner? Me! Rematch? You lose again! Had enough? I thought so!


EDIT: Gah! Flah beat me to it!

9/27/2012 8:49:59 AM

LAchlan

Here, Tony, mate...... fuck off!

9/27/2012 9:13:15 AM

AJ

A convicted criminal can't cross-examine the judge, but if no judge turned up to the trial he may rightly question the legitimacy of his conviction.

9/27/2012 9:17:57 AM

Fundies Make Me Sick

The Bible is not proof of anything so you automatically fail. And that picture you present of God is one of a dictatorial megalomaniac. It's why people turn away from Christianity.

9/27/2012 9:20:00 AM



"Nye, and atheists like him, appeals to creation and his own fallible mind. I appeal to the Creator and His infallible Word."

Nye takes facts and follows them to their conclusion without making unjustified assumptions...

You take facts and filter them through your belief that god exists, based on the words in a book that have been translated and mistranslated multiple times by fallible people with fallible minds, that has been added too and taken away from over the centuries... and you do that filtering with your very own fallible mind.

"And the fight is over before it begins."

Well, yes... you are trying to prove a conclusion that is already suspect and refuse to even consider facts that contradict your conclusion. The fight is over because you are a retard.

9/27/2012 9:56:23 AM

John_in_Oz

Tony, the 'cross' is supposed to refer to the crucifix, not to being crabby.

9/27/2012 10:02:06 AM



the appeal to authority fallacy comes in when the authority is to be taken at his word.

exanple : Kent Hovind says it, I believe it , its true.

a real authority: John Smith PhD says the moon is cheese. Here is his peer reviewed article. Note appendix 3(c) spectrographic analysis of sample 17452 a rock from Tycho crater floor and the comparison analysis of a piece of Gouda from the local supermarket.

Its interesting that Christians claim we live under laws set by God , and yet our judicial system is not modelled after God. God simply acts however he feels like at any given moment.

9/27/2012 10:09:45 AM

Zagen30

It is to give legitimacy to the blasphemous notion that God can be put on trial--that convicted criminals (sinners) have the right to cross examine the Judge.

But the growing number of atheists are unconvinced that there is a judge in the first place. It's like if you showed up in court, and instead of a human judge there was a piece of paper, and the court's proceedings were governed by the way the paper moved, with the theory being that the real judge was sitting in his quarters controlling those movements. Eventually someone's going to start wondering if it isn't just the wind or air conditioning causing the paper to move, and that the judge doesn't exist.

There's one surefire way for any religion to be taken seriously by non-believers: their god or gods actually making an incontrovertible appearance. Not an "oh, that tornado veering off from my house proves he listened" appearance, or a "my sick child got better in the hospital" appearance, which can either be explained by another method or which the skeptics can say was likely due to extremely complex physical interactions that we just can't observe very well with current technology. I'm talking about something that none but the craziest atheists could deny, like appearing in Times Square on New Year's Eve and turning the ball into an equivalent mass of Cheetos, then transporting all of the gathered TV people to the moon and holding a three-hour press conference.

9/27/2012 10:18:09 AM

Zagen30

@1452105: You'd be amazed at just how much David Barton can twist history, common sense, and linguistics to "show" that basically every American legal practice comes from the Bible.

9/27/2012 10:19:50 AM

Meeeh

Why do every retarded religious person sound like the worst sadists?

These people are basically salivating at the thought of punishing those who do not believe 100% what they do.

9/27/2012 12:02:14 PM

dp

"And the fight is over before it begins."

i'm in total agreement with this man.

9/27/2012 12:09:39 PM

Old Viking

Your position could be described more succinctly by saying "We have no proof."

9/27/2012 12:56:57 PM

JB Mason

"You see, bible-gawd is a tyrant, and you're just a piss-ant, so shut the fuck up."

9/27/2012 12:58:14 PM



"In God's Courtroom there is no right against self-incrimination. There is no protection of presumed innocence. There is no right to present an affirmative defense. There is no legal right to object to the Judge's findings and rulings. There can be no motion to have the Judge recuse Himself from the case. In fact, in God's Courtroom there are no trials. There are only days of sentencing."

As Richard Dawkins said, God is: "the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully."

9/27/2012 1:10:38 PM

Canadiest

"to assert that God needs to be proven. It is to give legitimacy to the blasphemous notion that God can be put on trial"

No ones putting your God on trial or demanding his appearance or even humouring the belief in him and you know it. Yes your imaginary omnipotent God doesn't have to do anything but you do if you insist upon claiming he's undeniable.

You and your fellow believers carry the entire burden of proof, you have none so you keep playing this stupid game of "Atheists are arrogant and want to be Gods while we humble Christians only speak for the most powerful entity ever"


9/27/2012 1:54:38 PM

Tearlich

"Oh, I will slap him around a bit for some of the social truth claims he makes based entirely on conjecture.

Feel The Christian Love SLAP SLAP!

"But I won't argue with him regarding the existence of God the Creator. To do so, to present evidences for the existence of God is, on some level, to assert that God needs to be proven."

Coward!



9/27/2012 2:13:52 PM

Renon

The thing is, your imaginary friend HAS NO authority because he doesn't exist.

9/27/2012 4:05:14 PM

Alencon

In other words, you don't have any evidence for the existence of your God.

9/27/2012 4:33:58 PM

Madbull

"In God's court..."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r82ON0-sMcU

9/27/2012 6:39:32 PM

Berny

Your creator and his word have never been proven, whereas science has proven innumerable things your Bible is ignorant about.
You're right, the fight is over before it has begun. You lost.
What you think is a foregone conclusion has never even been proven.

9/27/2012 7:24:33 PM

Wehpudicabok

God is starting to sound like Gul Dukat. What an asshole.

9/27/2012 7:34:47 PM

Sasha

It's extremely entertaining to watch you describe your god as a spoiled, vindictive bully and then blame people for not wanting to follow him.

9/27/2012 8:07:30 PM

Ebon

Your god runs a kangaroo court. In a real court, the judge is subject to the same laws as the accused.

9/27/2012 9:59:57 PM

Zimmer

Shit, and the first sentence was so reasonable too...

9/28/2012 1:54:02 AM
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