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Appealing to authority is only fallacious when that to which one appeals has no legitimate authority. Everyone--include Bill Nye--everyone appeals to authority. Nye, and atheists like him, appeals to creation and his own fallible mind. I appeal to the Creator and His infallible Word.

And the fight is over before it begins.

With the above in mind, I will not offer up any pieces of evidence to refute Nye's claims against God and creationism. Everyone looks at the same evidence. The issue is not one of evidence, but rather one of worldview. The atheistic evolutionist interprets the evidence for the glory of self and to perpetrate a sinful denial of God. The Christian interprets the evidence for the glory of God. It's that simple.

Oh, I will slap him around a bit for some of the social truth claims he makes based entirely on conjecture. But I won't argue with him regarding the existence of God the Creator. To do so, to present evidences for the existence of God is, on some level, to assert that God needs to be proven. It is to give legitimacy to the blasphemous notion that God can be put on trial--that convicted criminals (sinners) have the right to cross examine the Judge.

I believe to entertain and engage unbelievers on this level not only fuels and encourages the unbelievers' sinfulness, but it is also a blasphemous exchange on the part of God's proponent. That's right. To allow an unbeliever to put God on trial by participating in such a kangaroo court, even as a well-intentioned and loving defense attorney, is to participate in the unbeliever's blasphemy. And by aiding and abetting such blasphemy, the Christian takes part in the blasphemy and is, therefore, guilty of the same.

In God's Courtroom there is no right against self-incrimination. There is no protection of presumed innocence. There is no right to present an affirmative defense. There is no legal right to object to the Judge's findings and rulings. There can be no motion to have the Judge recuse Himself from the case. In fact, in God's Courtroom there are no trials. There are only days of sentencing.

Tony Miano , Cross Encounters 85 Comments [9/27/2012 3:30:02 AM]
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StallChaser

God is actually an invisible blue/white otter centaur/pegacorn. It's completely beneath me to actually prove it, and an insult to God (real name Sparklewing) to even debate it. Just know that if you challenge this opinion at all with any sort of scientific investigation, you will be punished severely. Forever. And it will involve more glitter than you could possibly imagine.

9/28/2012 7:07:28 AM

Pule Thamex

His infallible word is actually the frantic raving of a gormless desert twit from the dim and distant past. All-day sand and delusions when mixed with heat and spitting camels seem to be a recipe for insanity.

9/28/2012 7:38:44 AM

His4Life

What makes me sad about the Bill Nye debacle is that he is presented to children as an unbiased "scientist" through his TV show. The reality is that he represents a pretty consistent liberal agenda and has done so since his show first premiered. I did not allow my children to watch Bill Nye when they were growing, or the alternative show, Beakman's World, which included a homosexual character on a recurring basis. I think it's interesting to note that neither of these "unbiased" shows is multi-cultural. Why are there no people of color featured in Bill Nye or Beakman's World?

9/28/2012 4:49:08 PM

Jordab the Folf

@His
"he represents a pretty consistent liberal agenda"
If by "liberal agenda" you mean not being a moron and having a brain larger than a walnut, then yes. Also, he's fucking awesome and introduces kids, like me when I was younger, to science. What makes /me/ sad is how you shelter your kids from any sort of intelligence with your shield of ignorance.

9/28/2012 5:28:55 PM

His4Life

By liberal, I mean that he promotes evolution and is open to only one scientific viewpoint, ignoring the droves of evidence and respected scientists who promote creation. When did he ever have a creationist on his show? Almost as often as he had people of color. :)

9/28/2012 5:52:54 PM

Jordab the Folf

You, of all people, have no right to accuse others of ignoring evidence. Also, what is this "evidence" you creationists keep talking about? I always hear about it, but I never get told what it is. Mind elaborating?

9/28/2012 5:54:47 PM

Philbert McAdamia

@Pule Thamex
His infallible word is actually the frantic raving of a gormless desert twit from the dim and distant past. All-day sand and delusions when mixed with heat and spitting camels seem to be a recipe for insanity.


Not to menton cooking your food over camel shit.


Appealing to authority is only fallacious when that to which one appeals has no legitimate authority.

Um, like your pastor?

9/28/2012 6:35:44 PM

His4Life

No, for the reasons listed above.

9/28/2012 7:12:31 PM

Jordab the Folf

..What?

9/28/2012 8:11:25 PM

Valerius

@Troll4Life

So you think Bill Nye is a biased scientist because he promotes evolution and ignores creationists? Why do you insist on being so fucking stupid? He promotes evolution because it's a fact, in the exact same manner than gravity is a fact. It's the basis for nearly ALL of modern medicine and biology. He ignores creationism because there is absolutely no evidence for it. And there are no "droves...of respected scientists who promote creation." In fact, the OVERWHELMING majority of scientists are either atheist or agnostic, and of the tiny minority who are religious, only a very small percentage actually believe in creationism (certainly not any biologists). You're either a liar, a retard, a troll, or all of the above. Choose wisely.

9/28/2012 11:49:09 PM

Justanotheratheist

For you idiots to have any legitimacy, God does indeed need to be proven, or at the very least some shred of credible and testable evidence for his existence must be provided - by your side.

You can't do that. You've had two millennia, and you've come up with absolutely nothing that would pass for evidence in even the most marsupial of kangaroo courts. You have lost this war, Tony, and it has in fact been lost by your predecessors for a very long time.

Science continues to progress, and inter alia gave you the computer with which you can post your pathetic bullshit. The so-called Word of God cannot even count the legs on an insect. I think you should ponder on that for a moment.

9/29/2012 1:27:51 AM

whatever

@His4Life
Respected scientists don't generally favour creationism. Can you please cite the names of scientists who you believe suppoort the creationist view?

9/29/2012 2:30:22 AM

Amadaun

You seem awfully happy about proclaiming your Lord a tyrant. I hope you realize how much like a Death Eater you sound.

...and it wouldn't even bother you if you did, because the difference between the evil mad hubris of Voldemort, and a being that defines the good by his own will, strikes you as obvious and absolute.

9/29/2012 9:53:46 AM

Anon-e-moose

@Troll/Biased/Nuts4Life

PROTIP: Reality is not a democracy. Who voted your 'God' in power? Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses [/"Monty Python and the Holy Grail"], therefore your so-called 'God' only has the right to obey us. Besides, Judges 1:19 says that - via our modern-day Iron Chariots (UK: Challenger II. USA: M1 Abrams. France: Leclerc. Germany: Leopard II. Israel: Merkava. Russia: T-90. China: Type 99. North Korea: Pokpung Ho ['Storm']) - the Creation is now superior to the Creator. As high-heat Magnesium saboted rounds harmed Cybertronians in the "Transformers" films (and, of course, one fiction's just as good as another. Amirite?!), what's to stop said Iron Chariots (or just stopping them. Period?!) firing saboted rounds made of Iron: God-Killers...? >:D

@whatever

There was one. Once. A professor of Biochemistry, no less, by the name of Michael Behe. He was the star witness for the defence in Kitzmiller vs. Dover

His 'Intelligent Design' (i.e. Creationism by Stealth)-supporting testimony was key, of course. To the defence's case completely annihilating itself, thus the decision by the Conservative Christian Judge John E. Jones III going the plaintiff's way. In a landmark case, no less.

As a result of such, it's not only unconstitutional, but illegal, to teach Creationism in all accredited educational establishments in the US (thus Behe is a universal laughing-stock in the scientific community& halls of academia). The law no less says that Evolution is fact, and Biblical Creation is lies. And Romans 13:1-5 says that if any fundie even thinks otherwise, they'll go to Hell. Their own Scripture forces them to admit their own Scripture's 'Truth' is lies. Ain't that a pisser?! >:D

Catch-22 can be such a cruel bitch when she wants to be, eh?!

...and remember, fundies: We have the fossils. We win. [/hyper-smug & ultra-superior]

9/29/2012 1:53:15 PM

whatever

@Anon-e-Moose
"There was one. Once. A professor of Biochemistry, no less, by the name of Michael Behe."

Whew, for a horrible moment I thought you were going to say Kent Hovind.


"As a result of such, it's not only unconstitutional, but illegal, to teach Creationism in all accredited educational establishments in the US"...

I wish the US government had the balls to state this fact everytime some fundy group whines that creationism doesn't get a fair shot in schools. They should close down the creationist museum too while they're at it.

And surely if something is unconstitutional, that would make it illegal by default? OK here I go, showing my ignorance of US law again...

9/29/2012 2:23:04 PM

Valerius

@Anon-e-moose
"...and remember, fundies: We have the fossils. We win."

Not to mention loads of genetic evidence and laboratory experiments with viruses, bacteria, and even several animals with very rapid breeding rates, such as fruit flies.

9/29/2012 8:01:06 PM

His4Life

So why doesn't Bill Nye have people of color on his show?

9/30/2012 6:36:26 AM

Canadiest

@Anon-e-Moose

And that single accredited professor, Behe, also tried to change the definition of science so that Astrology and Alchemy would have to be excepted under the term, hell any magic shit that could be imagined would fit into science under Behes unrequested reterming.

I'm thinking he's seeing a lot of cash from the Dominionists to sell out his scientific convictions so eagerly.

9/30/2012 7:00:21 AM

Anon-e-moose

@Troll/Biased/Nuts4Life

Ah yes, pulling out the ol' 'Race Card' again, when you're scared of being proven wrong. Just that in itself is very telling. Question: Is God black? The angels? Are they? And before you destroy your argument further by being reduced to 'Apologetics', chapter and verse, in plain language (no vague allusions or 'metaphor') allowed, or your entire 'beliefs', that which such are based on, and your way of thinking that is based on such is invalidated, and proven to be lies.

Why doesn't your so-called 'Heaven' have beings of colour in it, as per those who codified (i.e. the early Catholic church; then the later Protestant codices, pre-KJV) your so-called 'Word of God', as written by white people, and not your 'God' directly (as in he poofing said 'Word' into existence; no 'ghost writers'/producers/printers required, in the first place. You once said that this inanimate object was an 'eyewitness', after all), if as you always maintain, the 'Word of God' is 'Truth'.

9/30/2012 8:40:55 AM

Quantum Mechanic

There is no god you stupid idiot.

9/30/2012 9:58:58 AM

Valerius

@Troll4Life
"So why doesn't Bill Nye have people of color on his show?"

If you watched his show (But why would you? You might actually learn something, and we all know how much you don't like that.), then you'd see that he does occasionally have black people on. Although even if he didn't, that wouldn't mean he's racist. And this entire issue is completely irrelevant to the truth of what he teaches on his show. The way I see it is that your petulant whining and cries of "OMG that's totally racist", even though something isn't, is just another manifestation of your persecution complex, which is so characteristic of you idiot fundies. Go take your petulant whining elsewhere.

9/30/2012 10:29:50 AM

Anon-e-moose

@Troll/Biased/Nuts4Life

"So why doesn't Bill Nye have people of color on his show?"

The question could just as easily be asked: 'Why don't reggae/rap groups/performers have people of non-colour?'

Eminem. Vanilla Ice. UB40.

And just one word completely annihilates your right to use the 'Race Card' (in this case, and in perpetuity): Yellowman.

'Racism'? How about racism from your own people?:

'Winston Foster grew up in a Catholic orphanage called Alpha Boys School in Kingston, and was shunned due to having albinism, which was usually not socially accepted in Jamaica.'

Especially in the case of the latter, enjoy your paradox

@Valerius

"he does occasionally have black people on. Although even if he didn't, that wouldn't mean he's racist. And this entire issue is completely irrelevant to the truth of what he teaches on his show."

Of couuuuurse it's relevant [/hyper-sarcasm]. How else is she going to evade the issue (as per usual), if otherwise she's painted into an argumental corner, leaving her no other option but to admit her so-called 'beliefs' & what such are based on are lies, and she then has no choice but to recant her unjustifiable 'beliefs' and become an Atheist, just as Jonathan Edwards did - but purely via his own critical thinking faculties. Apparently fundies think that realising your 'beliefs' are nothing but lies would kill them there & then. Jonathan Edwards is still here, dearie, still not caring about what happens when he dies. He has rent the veil of lies; no 'faith'-destroying debate with an Atheist required. Thus proving you & your fundie ilk wrong.

10/1/2012 5:51:26 AM

His4Life

The Bible was not written by white people. Most of the writers were Jewish (so incidentally, not black either, not that it matters to my faith; Jesus may have been a black man, however).

How Bill Nye runs his show is relevant to me because it shows where his biases lie and whether he is a trustworthy person I'd be looking to for advice on science or any other topic. I could be wrong about him not featuring African-Americans though. Maybe someone can provide a YouTube link of Nye with a black guest?

10/1/2012 6:21:01 PM

His4Life

Anon-e-moose, Albinism is a race?

10/1/2012 6:25:31 PM

His4Life

Ew. WTF is Yellowman? That thing ain't even white, let alone black. His face is like made out of playdoh, dude.

10/1/2012 6:29:07 PM
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