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Appealing to authority is only fallacious when that to which one appeals has no legitimate authority. Everyone--include Bill Nye--everyone appeals to authority. Nye, and atheists like him, appeals to creation and his own fallible mind. I appeal to the Creator and His infallible Word.

And the fight is over before it begins.

With the above in mind, I will not offer up any pieces of evidence to refute Nye's claims against God and creationism. Everyone looks at the same evidence. The issue is not one of evidence, but rather one of worldview. The atheistic evolutionist interprets the evidence for the glory of self and to perpetrate a sinful denial of God. The Christian interprets the evidence for the glory of God. It's that simple.

Oh, I will slap him around a bit for some of the social truth claims he makes based entirely on conjecture. But I won't argue with him regarding the existence of God the Creator. To do so, to present evidences for the existence of God is, on some level, to assert that God needs to be proven. It is to give legitimacy to the blasphemous notion that God can be put on trial--that convicted criminals (sinners) have the right to cross examine the Judge.

I believe to entertain and engage unbelievers on this level not only fuels and encourages the unbelievers' sinfulness, but it is also a blasphemous exchange on the part of God's proponent. That's right. To allow an unbeliever to put God on trial by participating in such a kangaroo court, even as a well-intentioned and loving defense attorney, is to participate in the unbeliever's blasphemy. And by aiding and abetting such blasphemy, the Christian takes part in the blasphemy and is, therefore, guilty of the same.

In God's Courtroom there is no right against self-incrimination. There is no protection of presumed innocence. There is no right to present an affirmative defense. There is no legal right to object to the Judge's findings and rulings. There can be no motion to have the Judge recuse Himself from the case. In fact, in God's Courtroom there are no trials. There are only days of sentencing.

Tony Miano , Cross Encounters 85 Comments [9/27/2012 3:30:02 AM]
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Anon-e-moose

@Troll/Racist/Nuts4Life

"That thing ain't even white, let alone black. His face is like made out of playdoh, dude."

At least Fred Phelps has been pro-Civil Rights. Thank you, dearie, for falling in another trap of your own making. You have now proven yourself to be worse than the KKK, nay, Hitler.

But then, you worship an omni-bumboy of a 'Saviour', and a kiddy-diddling paedophile nonce of a 'God', so should we be surprised about your own depravities?

10/2/2012 7:37:02 AM

His4Life

I am sorry. I thought it was stage makeup. I just read the article in Wikipedia and understand why he's deformed now. I hope God heals him and leads him to faith in Christ, so that he can be restored for eternity in a beautiful new body. Praying for this man.

On another note, do you like reggae anonemoose?

10/4/2012 5:52:18 AM

Anon-e-moose

@Troll/Racist/Nuts4Life

"I am sorry"

Oh, it's gone way beyond 'apologies' for you dearie:

http://www.fstdt.net/QuoteComment.aspx?QID=89597&Page=1

You've done enough. Have you no sense of decency? At long last, have you left no sense of decency?

And to borrow further from Mr. Welch:

'You have seen fit to bring it out. And if there is a God in Heaven it will do neither you nor your cause any good. I will not discuss it further.'

Your 'apologies' are as empty as your 'revenge fantasy' threats. Because you've always gone back to your original poisonous right-wing fundie way of thinking; almost as if a deity ceased to exist and made you Lord God Almighty.

Matthew 7:1. And 10:14, for good measure. You are dead to us on FSTDT. As your so-called 'God of Love' was never alive in the first place. Remember the quote by Marcus Aurelius:

'Live a good life. If there are gods and they are just, then they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived by. If there are gods, but unjust, then you should not want to worship them. If there are no gods, then you will be gone, but will have lived a noble life that will live on in the memories of your loved ones.'

Your 'God' is only a God of Hate. As are you. It's been proven time and again. Now leave FSTDT forever, if you possess any human decency.

10/4/2012 8:10:47 AM

His4Life

Marcus Aurelius' advice is empty. What is a "good life?" Are any of our lives really good when held up against a just and holy God? How can one be "good" without honoring God? You're talking about being good by human standards; I'm talking about being good by divine standards.

10/4/2012 4:47:39 PM

Anon-e-moose

@Troll/Worse-than Hitler-lover/Nuts4Life

"Are any of our lives really good when held up against a just and holy God? How can one be "good" without honoring God? You're talking about being good by human standards; I'm talking about being good by divine standards."

Oh, considering his 'standards' in the OT, and also considering this:



God: 2,038,344
Satan (and only on God's authorisation): 10

Anon-e-moose: 0

Then his own 'standards' in the NT (Revelation); and taking into account this quote:

'The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control freak ... homophobic, racist, ... capriciously malevolent bully.'

-Richard Dawkins

I dunno. You. Tell. Me.

I've said it before, but bears repeating: the 'Mystery' of the Bible? Lucifer is actually the good guy in all of this, and it's the so-called 'God of Love' who is the tyrannical, sociopathic, capricious, ego-monster of a hyper-dictator, with his 'Worship me or DIE!' attitude. Prove. Me. Wrong.

Jesus (who is God), when asked by Pontius Pilate 'What is Truth?', he couldn't answer. Thus God himself doesn't know what it is. His own so-called 'Word' doesn't give an exact, precise dictionary-esque definition, therefore he doesn't know. Show me in the Bible the definition of 'good by divine standards'. Because if the OT - which is just one big testament to your so-called 'just and holy God', and his behaviour - is any indication, then according to the chart above, it conclusively proves that I am more than infinitely superior to your so-called 'God of Love' in every conceivable way. I mean, he's not exactly Mahatma Gandhi, nor post-imprisonment Nelson Mandela, is he, this so-called 'God of Love, is he?! Remember, re. people killed:

God: 2,038,344

Anon-e-moose: 0

Ergo, your 'God of Love is a worse-than Hitler hyper-dictator. And I'm not. Prove me wrong. Facts can't lie. Oh, and one more thing: show me - especially in your 'Word of God' - where homosexuality is infinitely worse than mass murder? Homosexuality a 'sin'? In that case, your 'God' is the worst sinner of them all, and he'll be burning in Hell.

10/6/2012 11:05:37 AM

Random Guy

Thanks for the Backlink!

10/6/2012 7:40:55 PM

Anon-e-moose

Asking your 'God' to appear before me (and everyone on the planet simultaneously) to prove his existence to our satisfaction; I 'showing you mine, re. Queen Elizabeth II at our 2012 Olympics to prove her existemce, then when I ask you to 'show me yours' in exactly the same way - which is not a 'false dichotomy', incidentally, as you claim here:

http://www.fstdt.net/QuoteComment.aspx?QID=89336&Page=6

Queen Elizabeth II, head of the Church of England, 'Defender of the Faith', and all that jazz. Your 'God', who you claim 'exists'. I see absolutely no difference, in my simple question: I show you mine, you show me yours. But you haven't shown me yours to my satisfaction (whereas I have; the 80,000 at the Olympic Stadium & the 1 billion+ watching on worldwide TV). Ergo, proof that your 'God' doesn't exist. And no amount of 'apologetics' will change any of that, thus you admit yourself that your 'God' doesn't exist. You said it, I didn't.

'Analogy'? 'False dichotomy'? How about a paradox:

"You're talking about being good by human standards; I'm talking about being good by divine standards."

http://www.fstdt.net/QuoteComment.aspx?QID=23253&Page=1

@BurntBush

"If your kids did something bad, would you throw them in a lit fireplace?"

PROTIP: The extremely successful comedy film "Bruce Almighty", with nary a mention of religion (unlike the 'sequel', "Evan Almighty", with it's 'Noah's Ark II' scenario. Which bombed. You do the maths). A sort of 'What If' scenario (which I like; "The Final Coundown", for example), which posited the notion:

What would you do, if you were God?

But that's by the bye. I refer you to the question asked by Burnt Bush (check one):

[ ] Yes. Then you are the worst form of tyrannical (not)parent, Saddam Insane**-esque hyper-sadist, and exponent of Infanticide, never mind mass murder. As far as you're concerned, what two adult, consenting men do in the privacy of their own bedroom(s) = murder.

[ ] No. If not, why not? Because if you wouldn't, you're proving that you're a good person, by everyone's standards? What are those 'standards'? What's that, you say?: 'Laws of the land'? Ah, so we're supposed to ignore Romans 13:1-5, when such laws are inconvenient for us, eh? So what's stopping you from doing what Burnt Bush suggested, then...? And above all, whose standards does your so-called 'God of love' set his by...? Because we are supposed to set our standards by his; yet, it's a different matter for him; nope, no hypocrisy on his part, nosirree! [/hyper-sarcasm]

Choose wisely. And if you refuse to answer this simple question 'Yes' or 'No', then it'll count as a 'Yes'. As per your standard: 'you keep suggesting that you want me to answer your questions or debate you. If you are up for it, I'm game'.

...except when said questions are a little too inconvenient. As in you'd then have no choice but to admit your 'beliefs' & what such are based on are wrong in every conceivable way, thus you'd have to recant said 'beliefs' and become an Atheist yourself. But then, you've already admitted yourself time & again that your 'beliefs' have been and always will be wrong. Certainly by the example of being a liar & a hypocrite by your own 'God's standards, as proven by your own 'Word of God'.[/b]

Now, what was that about Marcus Aurelius' advice being 'empty'...? An earlier quote by Epicurus springs to mind (emphasis added):

'Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not* omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able, and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God?'

Nope. Not seeing any references whatsoever about 'The Devil', a.k.a. 'Satan', a.k.a. Lucifer actually doing any wrong in the Bible; even if he does exist. Question: If you had an expensive Blu-Ray player, and a toddler who liked to put things in places that shouldn't be (i.e. peanut butter in the VCR), would you just keep said Blu-Ray player as close as possible to the floor (near the now peanut butter-marinaded VCR), or would you put such - along with the VCR - on shelves high up, so said toddler couldn't reach such & thus damage it? A certain story with a certain tree with a certain magical fruit springs to mind...!

Or I'd simply not allow said toddler in the same room that had said expensive Blu-Ray player in the first place. But then, I'm single, thus not allowing said gadget-destroying toddler to exist in the first place, thus the point is irrelevant (certainly in my case). Or, if I was God, I'd simply not allow the concept of 'Sin' (as you lot define it) to exist in peoples' minds in the first place; fuck the non-sequitur excuse by Bible apologists of 'Free Will'. Because they'd already come, pre-programmed, with a sense of right & wrong. And from my point of view, what two adult consenting men do in the privacy of their own bedroom(s) =/= murder. As in what possible harm do they do to anyone else? Not me, and I'm a straight man.


There's a new bus advert out now by Stonewall (the LGBT rights group) doing the rounds. Consisting of just the slogan: 'Some people are Gay. Get over it.'

'But it does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are twenty gods or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.'

-Thomas Jefferson

But it does me no injury for my male neighbours to do what they consent with each other in their own home. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.

-Anon-e-moose

Now point out on this doll where the nasty 'Gay Agenda' touched you personally, Right-wing Fundamentalist Christianity in the US...?

Fact: Homosexuality in all civilised, democratic countries is legal (PROTIP: Romans 13:1-5). Including the USA. Get over it.

Moral: As proven above, your 'God' FAILS in every conceivable way. As do his own hypocritical 'followers'. Ergo (and as demonstrated by the above chart), we Atheists are more than infinitely superior to him. And you. QED.

*- Thus he's not 'God', therefore he's a contradiction to himself. Ergo, he doesn't exist. QED.

**- Saddam Insane liked to torture/kill dissidents/opponents/anyone he disliked by forcing his/her family to watch such happening (and if he was 'merciful' at that time, he/she would be done head first). How? Just think 'Paper Shredder' - only on a much larger scale. People being shredded (usually feet first, thus whilst still alive). Being burnt for eternity (especially for the actions of 'two adult consenting men' = murder). Can you see any difference there? Especially keeping in mind Burnt Bush's question...?

10/7/2012 11:07:28 AM

His4Life

I shouldn't have to wade through an entire page of dribble to discern what your questions even are, Anon-e-moose. As far as I can discern "questions" in that post, here are my answers:

1.) I cannot command God to appear before you, any more than you can command the Queen to appear before me. When the Queen appeared at the Olympics, it was of her own free will and volition. No one commanded her to be there - she's the Queen, that would be absurd. Likewise, God has appeared many times in history, most notably as Jesus Christ, and continues to appear in select circumstances today - but always of his own will, not at the command of someone else.

2.) Would I throw my child in a lit fireplace? Of course not. But I am not God. Disobeying your mom and disobeying the creator of the universe are two different things. Think about it this way - there are different penalties for disobeying a police officer than there are for disobeying your mother. The same logic applies to disobeying God as well, except on a much larger level.

3.) God's disapproval of the gay lifestyle doesn't automatically mean he doesn't exist. That is a logical falsehood. It is logically conceivable that there is a God, but that his values are different from yours. You may not like this God; that does not mean he doesn't exist.

4.) I do believe in a literal hell. The Bible reveals what some of the punishments there are - burning alive, being eternally separated from God and the rest of humanity, isolation, darkness, humilitation and shame, etc. It does not mention anyone being pushed through a "shredder" or whatever it is you're trying to suggest there. That's not biblical, although some who have had visions of hell mention being torn apart by demons.

10/7/2012 2:49:54 PM

Anon-e-moose

'Afterlife'? 'Hell'? What'll happen to we 'unbelievers'? As proven here (with your so-called 'Word of God' proven to be nothing but lies, because the law itself, no less, says so; Romans 13:1-5, and all that jazz):

http://www.fstdt.net/QuoteComment.aspx?QID=89336&Page=10

Your so-called 'God' is a contradiction to himself, and therefore doesn't exist. And never will. Remember: That which is asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence. You yourself - by omission (certainly on this page; 1.)- have admitted that he doesn't exist. No evidencee, no acceptee. Just like the notion of a 'Global Flood', an 'Ark', Noah etc (you abandoned the above thread without giving us evidence to our satisfaction, therefore you admit that it never happened, thus the Bible is lies throughout (the law itself says so; Kitzmiller vs. Dover proves that, via Romans 13:1-5, resulting in a theological/doctrinal paradox) - and it's merely the ramblings of Bronze Age goatfuckers with ideas above their stations: Men., ergo, your 'God' doesn't exist. You've admitted it.

Even those in the 19th Century realised that you, your 'Word of God', nay, your 'God' no less completely FAILS in every conceivable way; never mind 'Sin', so the worst crimes imaginable: rape, paedophilia (but then, God impregnating a 15-year old? Nonces of a feather slime together, after all) and murder can be 'forgiven', as they're not 'bad', just by the mere act of 'believing' via mere 'faith' ('OSAS', 'Grace by Faith Only' so favoured by you non--Christian Paulians, thus allowing you to be douchebag cunts to everyone else regardless, especially those you don't 'like'; LGBT people etc), yet, the mere act of not believing in this so-called 'God of Love results in eternal torture, because this is an infinitely worse crime than rape, paedophilia, and murder (which - unlike our 'standards' - laws - which are the basis of our 21st C. Western civilisation, says are wrong & unforgivable), eh? In which case, as per said 19th Century people:



(And the fight is over before it begins) >:D

Then everything you can possibly say now & in the future, to justify your worse-than evil 'beliefs', and the doctrines such are based on are forever invalid and your so-called 'God of Love is proven to be the worse-than Hitler/Stalin/Pol Pot/Saddam/Gaddafi-esque hyper-dictator he really is. Thus:

'Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.

Is he both able, and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God?'

-Epicurus

'Live a good life. If there are gods and they are just, then they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived by. If there are gods, but unjust, then you should not want to worship them. If there are no gods, then you will be gone, but will have lived a noble life that will live on in the memories of your loved ones.'

-Marcus Aurelius

'The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control freak ... homophobic, racist, ... capriciously malevolent bully.'

-Richard Dawkins

'God of Love', eh...?! 'Free offer! God's Unconditional* Love!'

*- Terms and Conditions apply.

I refer you to this thread:

http://www.fstdt.net/QuoteComment.aspx?QID=85408&Page=4

Not taking into account Dr.Shrinker calling you out on your lies, and exposing you as nothing more than the troll & therefore un-Christian Attention Whore you really are, all I have to say (as I do on that thread), and on the whole 'Afterlife' matter: 'J'accuse, God!

As proven on that page, I don't need to believe that - in every conceivable way - I'm more than infinitely righteous than your so-called hyper-tyrant of a so-called 'God of Love' (and thus I am more than infinitely superior to him), I know.

'The only way to combat ridiculous propositions is through mockery'

-Thomas Jefferson

And what can be more ridiculous than your propositions about claims that are completely baseless - certainly in a court of law?

Via just that 19th C. newspaper/magazine cartoon alone, this entire debate is over. As are you and your vile bigoted presence here in FSTDT. As stated in another thread, you are dead to us. And if you don't want to be pointed out as the Attention Whore** you really are - should you dare infect this place with your inferior presence again - then never return to FSTDT. Ever.

**- And this links to a thread you infected yourself on, in which an Islamist fundie says 'Allah the Merciful'. PROTIP: The Hebrew 'Elohim'. The Judeo-Christian 'God/Jehovah/Yahweh/YHWH/etc. The Muslim 'Allah'. All one and the same Abrahamic deity, as any professor/scholar/academic of Theology will tell you. Because they know more about your 'beliefs' & what such are based on than you. Prove them wrong otherwise. Ergo, your 'God of Love' = the Islamists' Allah the Merciful'.

Enjoy your paradox. And debate over II.

10/9/2012 6:54:30 AM

Goomy pls

Gobs should be disbarred.

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