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Entire books have been written about the problems with the “birth certificate” that was released by the White House purportedly documenting Barack Obama’s birth in Hawaii.

Computer imaging experts have found it to be fraudulent and the conclusion of an official law enforcement investigation assembled by Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio is that it is just not real.

But it wasn’t until now, through the work of the Christopher Monckton of Brenchley, that the world was informed just exactly what the odds are against all of those anomalies occurring naturally.

One in 62,500,000,000,000,000,000. (That’s 62.5 quintillion)

Or, if one prefers, the chances are 0.0000000000000000000016 that those curious developments happened by accident.

The question at hand is whether Obama is constitutionally qualified for the office, under the Constitution’s requirement that presidents be a “natural born citizen.” Some say even if he was born in Hawaii, he wouldn’t qualify, because of his father’s foreign student status. Many believe a “natural born citizen” is the offspring of two citizen parents.

Monckton previously has advised Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher about the fallacies of global warming, has written for the Yorkshire Post, was editor of the Catholic paper The Universe, managing editor of the Telegraph Sunday Magazine, assistant editor of Today, and consulting editor of the Evening Standard.

Lord Christopher Monckton, WND 26 Comments [10/1/2012 1:36:21 AM]
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moekosowl29

We get it. The President is Black and you don't like it. We also wish you'd shut the hell up about it already.

10/1/2012 1:43:33 AM

Dan I

What "many people believe" makes a natural born citizen is irrelevant.

10/1/2012 4:17:26 AM

Reynardine

The sheriff is a n......, pseudo-intellectual version.

10/1/2012 4:29:35 AM

Leighton Buzzard

Hey, Chris! Got that Nobel Peace Prize and seat in the House of Lords yet? (snigger)

10/1/2012 4:37:36 AM

UHM

I still say "natural born citizen" means it can't be a clone. Remember the Founding Fathers were divinely inspired, so it stands to reason they would have visions of humans clonig humans.

/sarcasm

10/1/2012 4:43:09 AM



I get the feeling that by "advising" the Iron Lady you mean you sent a number of pompous letters that ultimately wound up in her rubbish bin.

She didn't take shit from people whose opinions were informed and actually mattered in any political sense, I can't imagine you being in her office long enough for her to have you thrown out.

I may not respect her politics, but I can't deny her force of will.

10/1/2012 4:56:57 AM

Filin De Blanc

"Some say even if he was born in Hawaii, he wouldn’t qualify, because of his father’s foreign student status."

The actual law says differently, though.

Citation needed on all these "computer imaging experts".

10/1/2012 5:05:23 AM

Doubting Thomas

One in 62,500,000,000,000,000,000. (That’s 62.5 quintillion)

Same tactic as with evolution. Post some incredibly huge numbers and claim the odds are too small for it to be true.

Some say even if he was born in Hawaii, he wouldn’t qualify, because of his father’s foreign student status.

Is it just me or have all these idiots forgotten that Obama's mother was a U.S. citizen?

10/1/2012 6:10:54 AM

Vandrvekn

Gee, if a media whore like Arpaio says it, it mush be true!

10/1/2012 7:31:34 AM

Filin De Blanc

As far as I can see, birther "logic" seems to go like this:

"Obama has to be from Africa. That's where black people come from!"

10/1/2012 8:42:03 AM

Tatsukun

Ahh, birtherism. The GOP's latest version of closing their eyes and wishing really, really hard. (they had to start this method after 'praying' failed utterly).

10/1/2012 8:43:24 AM

Ryushikaze

@Doubting Thomas- It never even crossed their mind. Women don't count, even though the US uses Soil OR Blood as sufficient requirement for natural citizenry.

Being born to a US Citizen means Barack is a natural born citizen. So even if he WAS born in Kenya, it wouldn't make any damn difference. And if it did, McCain wouldn't have been born on US Soil either.

10/1/2012 8:48:14 AM

Darwin

"Monckton previously has advised Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher about the fallacies of global warming..."

Love her or hate her, she is a trained scientist (second class honours BSc chemistry from Oxford), so she probably didn't buy Monckton's bullshit.

10/1/2012 10:34:47 AM

fmitchell

Did anyone else note the phrase "advised Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher about the fallacies of global warming"? That's what he's most known for in some circles.

Someone who calls global warming a fallacy puts his ability to weigh evidence in doubt. Also, one infers he's British, which makes his expertise in American Constitutional law also highly suspect ... which is the issue at hand, not flaws in a PDF scan of a paper document.

10/1/2012 10:57:18 AM



"Monckton previously has advised Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher about the fallacies of global warming"

Psst... Thatcher herself says he didn't...

"has written for the Yorkshire Post"

Yeah, he wrote crappy headlines when he wasn't being a reporter... sounds a lot less special now, doesn't it?

"was editor of the Catholic paper The Universe, managing editor of the Telegraph Sunday Magazine"

First, those aren't very special jobs (really, he took orders on what to put in and simply checked that the stuff put in matched the orders given to him) and second, can't you even get the name of the magazine right?

"assistant editor of Today"

Which folded very quickly... now, I'm not suggesting that Mr I-flit-from-position-to-position-very-frequently had anything to do with it, but it's not much to cheer about.

"and consulting editor of the Evening Standard."

Translation: He got asked about literature from time to time.

In short, that list is a pumped-up self-aggrandisement ego-boost made to make the person sound much more of an authority than they really are... and he knows sweet fuck all about PDF anomalies.

10/1/2012 11:37:53 AM

Dr. Razark

"Many believe a 'natural born citizen' is the offspring of two citizen parents."

But what "many" believe doesn't really matter a damn bit. It's what nine people believe it means that counts, and those nine have not seen fit to announce what they think.

10/1/2012 12:27:20 PM

ScrappyB

Yup, Obama called Doc Brown, jumped in the DeLorean and traveled back in time to plant his own birth announcement in the newspaper.

10/1/2012 3:01:48 PM

Ebon

This is more bullshit that amounts to not wanting Obama to be president because he's black.

And, as a Brit, claiming that Monckton advised Thatcher is roughly akin to saying he counseled Satan.

10/1/2012 3:55:16 PM

dfmfundies

They don't call it "World Nut Daily" for nothing, folks!

10/1/2012 4:38:13 PM

shykid

"Entire books have been written about the problems with the 'birth certificate' that was released by the White House purportedly documenting Barack Obama’s birth in Hawaii."

So, if the TimeCube guy collected all of his delusional and incoherent ramblings into a book and published it, that would somehow make them scholarly and not crazy?

...interesting.

10/1/2012 5:04:37 PM

Oh My Dog!



Uh huh...

10/1/2012 5:15:52 PM

christopher

@Ryushikaze: Not quite. Jus soli is constitutionally guaranteed, and almost absolute (children of diplomats are exempted, due to their parents not being under US jurisdiction due to diplomatic immunity), but jus sanguinis is purely statutory, and is subject to limitations. Under the applicable law at the time, a child born outside the US, to unwed parents of whom the mother was a citizen and the father was not, gained citizenship at birth only if the mother had lived in the US for at least 10 years, of which at least 5 were since the age of 14, and Obama's mother was still 18 when she had him. So if Obama had been born in Kenya (which he was not), he would not have been a natural-born citizen.

10/1/2012 10:03:00 PM



1. Joe Arpaio is a retard. All his arguments were debunked already when he started using them.

2. A spokesman from Adobe (as in a computer imaging expert from the computer imaging company whose computer imaging software was used to upload the computer image of the certificate) debunked everything the "computer imaging experts" claimed were fraudulent.

3. A natural born citizen is anyone born on US held ground (including military bases overseas and US territories). Your parents can both be citizens of another country (or, technically, not even citizens of Earth), but if you're born in the US you're a natural born citizen.

10/1/2012 10:22:25 PM

Mike Litoris


10/2/2012 4:36:12 AM

toth

Look! Big numbers!!!

10/11/2012 7:35:15 AM
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