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This article is really silly, especially the statement "Young-earth creationism is a sin"
The real sin is that many Christians have been intimidated by abmit but empty claims by evolutionists and have accepted Evolution as a scientific fact when in reality the scientific evidence supporting it is pathetic.
“Evolution” is a vague word. The main defintions in the text books are:

1) "change over time", this is silly as it is stating the flaming obvious.

2) Micro evolution is minor changes within a species, this is real and observable and uncontested.

3) Darwinian/Macro evolution (where the conflict is) which asserts that:

a) All living things had a common ancestor. This implies that your great….. great grandfather was a self replicating molecule.

b) The observable world has come into existence by totally natural, unguided processes and specifically WITHOUT the involvement of an intelligent designer.

The evolution battle is often MISrepresented as science against religion - this is baloney!
The real battle is between good science and Darwinism. When Darwinian/Macro evolution is scrutinised using the scientific method, it crumbles.

The scientific method demands: observation, measurement, repeatability. Darwinian/Macro evolution has none of these, all it has is circumstantial evidence which is open to interpretation. Ask yourself: What evidence is there that our great .... great grandfather was a self replicating molecule?

Dr John Sanford (Geneticist and inventor of the GeneGun) said .

“The bottom line is that the primary axiom [of Darwinian/Macro evolution] is categorically false, you can't create information with misspellings, not even if you use natural selection.”

theot58, Slacktivist 33 Comments [10/1/2012 1:36:33 AM]
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Jeff_a_Guy

Yeah, this is "baloney!", whatever that is...

10/1/2012 1:54:26 AM

Pule Thamex

Young-earth creationism is very easy to believe when you already believe zany things in the first place, for instance, the blazing insanity of ancient psychopaths and the ravening sky beast they worshiped.

10/1/2012 3:05:52 AM

Creedence Leonore Gielgud

No, the real sins are blasphemy, and heresy. Making a mockery out of your religion to make it easier for you to digest and live up to, and/or to push a political agenda that has fuck-all to do with the religion, is the sin. At least according to actual Christian theology, St. Augustine in particular. According to Augustine people like you are worse than us heathens, because you are willfully ignorant of your God's alleged creation.

10/1/2012 3:29:57 AM

Passerby

Willful ignorance is the gravest sin, but it is one you can repent.

10/1/2012 4:14:47 AM

gravematter

"The observable world has come into existence by totally natural, unguided processes and specifically WITHOUT the involvement of an intelligent designer."
No, evolution does not specifically say that. Many religious people believe in both a god, and evolution.
"The bottom line is that the primary axiom [of Darwinian/Macro evolution] is categorically false, you can't create information with misspellings, not even if you use natural selection."
Well, this analogy is all kinds of wrong. But you can sometimes create new words with misspellings. If I mispell "cat", I might come up with "cut". But in any case, it's not the same thing. The "information" is always there, and we know that mutated genes contain mutated "information". Mutated "information" is still "information". If you accept "micro evolution" then you must still accept that fact.

10/1/2012 4:15:48 AM

UHM

Evolution denial -- where intended hyperbole are real world facts.

10/1/2012 4:16:27 AM

Leighton Buzzard

Ask yourself: What evidence is there that our great .... great grandfather was a self replicating molecule?

Well, I asked myself that, and so I went and read up on it, and now I know what the evidence is. You can believe it or not, but it's a flat lie to say there is no evidence.

10/1/2012 4:48:34 AM

Canadia

Evolution is evolution; micro/macro-evolution wasn't a thing a decade ago, it still isn't.

10/1/2012 4:50:29 AM

michael3ov

I think you really really really need to go and review the scientific method as well as the philosophy of science.

The scientific method is a little more complex than what they teach you in 8th grade science class. You could read Karl Popper but I feel it would be slightly hard for you to follow.

10/1/2012 4:59:19 AM

Doubting Thomas

At least we're getting them to admit a few small things about evolution are true (small changes in species, etc). Give it another 100 years and they might finally admit that evolution is real but all part of God's plan.

10/1/2012 5:47:23 AM

Reynardine

Man's laughter is a wholesome thing
That makes this old world sweet

Manslaughter is a wholesome thing
That makes this old world sweet

You can "change information" with even a dropped space and comma.

10/1/2012 5:55:11 AM

Dr.Shrinker

"The evolution battle is often MISrepresented as science against religion - this is baloney!"


- The very word 'creationism' implies a creator. Said creator must, according to the theory, operate outside the natural boundaries of science. That is to say, the creator in creationism is by definition, a supernatural entity. Evolution, by contrast, is entirely dependent on observations of the natural world.

Did you get all of that theot58? One idea relies on assumptions about the supernatural. The other relies on observation of the natural world. How is that NOT science versus religion?

10/1/2012 6:00:08 AM

The Crimson Ghost

I love it when fundies try to talk science. Pure comedy!

10/1/2012 6:57:26 AM

SpukiKitty

PEOPLE OF FAITH HAVE ACCEPTED EVOLUTION FOR YEARS! WHY SHOULD YOU CREATIONIST BONEHEADS CARE?!!

10/1/2012 8:16:16 AM



I prefer great ... great-thing because it existed before sexual reproduction got started.

ok, spelling mistakes

goat >>> moat >>> boat >>> bone (two mistakes)
>>> cone >>>> coat (two again) >>> coal >>> cola (oops transposed) >>> colt and on ad infinitum

bwhahahahaha.

10/1/2012 8:57:46 AM

Creedence Leonore Gielgud

No, the real sins are blasphemy, and heresy. Making a mockery out of your religion to make it easier for you to digest and live up to, and/or to push a political agenda that has fuck-all to do with the religion, is the sin. At least according to actual Christian theology, St. Augustine in particular. According to Augustine people like you are worse than us heathens, because you are willfully ignorant of your God's alleged creation.

10/1/2012 9:13:19 AM

plesner

So, you accept that 2+2=4 but categorically deny that 200+200=400?

10/1/2012 10:02:39 AM

Kamism

Worst geneticist ever then. Also he was but one of 4-5 people who helped developed the "Gene gun"

10/1/2012 10:03:35 AM

Gimtek

I can't wait until we are able to observe a species that "micro evolves" so much we are forced to call it a new species and we have well well documented proof of "macro evolution" that these idiots keep demanding. We observe a lot of insects and bacterium with short life cycles evolve all the time. maybe something will happen over the course of a few dozen years... Wishful thinking, no?

10/1/2012 10:16:59 AM

Osiris

Evolution, when applied to biological sciences, has only one definition. A change in the frequency of allele variations in a population over time. That's it. There is no such thing as micro or macroevolution because they are the same thing, the only difference is the amount of time accounted for.

And yes the great ancestor of everything on the Earth was a self-replicating molecule.

10/1/2012 11:09:44 AM

SZD

@Gimtek

http://listverse.com/2011/11/19/8-examples-of-evolution-in-action/

We already have evidence of a good number of different instances of new species developing.

10/1/2012 11:55:50 AM

Mattiedef

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fA8pymavAaY

Learn a little.

As for evolution. There is Microevolution, which is essentially evolving traits via generation that are beneficial without reproductively separating species and Macroevolution is the build up of microevolution over time. The micro begets the macro, which usually results in speciation. Sometimes viable hybrids form new species as well, like Grizzilies and Polar hybrids are.

That said, the fundie is pretty stupid.

10/1/2012 12:02:46 PM

David B.

@Canadia: "micro/macro-evolution wasn't a thing a decade ago"

It's a little older than that...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuri_Filipchenko

10/1/2012 12:19:01 PM

farpadokly

You're right. It's silly. The theory that God just poofed everything into existence at the beginning of time fits the facts just so much better!
"Good science" = making observable facts somehow fit with what the Bible says, by any means necessary.
How much "observation, measurement, and repeatability" does the Book of Genesis have, or even the statement that God exists? Is God more proven when you "disprove" evolution? NO.

10/1/2012 1:33:15 PM

Old Viking

This stuff just gets tiresome.

10/1/2012 1:50:51 PM
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