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In his speech to the United Nations General Assembly today the President of the United States declared that the future does not belong to practicing Christians. Already, the media and the left are in full denial, probably based on their general lack of understanding of theology. This would have been a gaffe had Mitt Romney said it. But with Barack Obama, he’s just speaking bold truths. His bold truth declares that the future does not belong to practicing Christians.

Pay careful attention to what he says.

The future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam. Yet to be credible, those who condemn that slander must also condemn the hate we see when the image of Jesus Christ is desecrated, churches are destroyed, or the Holocaust is denied. Let us condemn incitement against Sufi Muslims, and Shiite pilgrims. It is time to heed the words of Gandhi: “Intolerance is itself a form of violence and an obstacle to the growth of a true democratic spirit.” Together, we must work towards a world where we are strengthened by our differences, and not defined by them. That is what America embodies, and that is the vision we will support.

Now, that’s the full paragraph so no one can claim I took him out of context.

But consider this.

It is an orthodox Christian belief that Mohammed is not a prophet. Actual Christians, as opposed to many of the supposed Christians put up by the mainstream media, believe that Christ is the only way to salvation. Believing that is slandering Mohammed. That’s just a fact. If you don’t believe me, you go into the MIddle East and proclaim Christ is the way, the truth, and the life and see what happens to your life.

Then Barack Obama went on to say “Yet to be credible, those who condemn that slander must also condemn the hate we see when the image of Jesus Christ is desecrated, churches are destroyed, or the Holocaust is denied.” Note he says we cannot “slander the prophet of Islam” but it’s only the image of Christ in the next sentence — not actually Christ himself desecrated. If this is so, why does Barack Obama’s government continue funding the National Endowment for the Arts, which funded Christ in piss, the Virgin Mary painted in dung, etc.?

Erick Erickson, Red State 31 Comments [10/1/2012 3:31:18 AM]
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Indicible

Your christ has been dead for almost 2 millenia. Of course, only his image can be slandered: he, himself, is no longer present on Earth to be insulted.

10/1/2012 3:51:04 AM

Passerby

Condemn those who slander Muslims exactly as you would someone who slandered Jesus or Holocaust survivors because the future doesn't belong to those that bash any of the above?

You didn't take it out of context, you straight up put words in his mouth he didn't even come close to saying.

10/1/2012 3:52:05 AM

Reynardine

For examples of special pleading and artful construction, see this passage by E. Erickson

10/1/2012 4:07:44 AM

Filin De Blanc

Obama: We should condemn hatred directed towards all religions.

Erick Erickson: CLEARLY THERE'S AN UNSPOKEN "EXCEPT CHRISTIANITY" THERE DAHFFHWILFHWILFBLFB!

10/1/2012 4:07:58 AM



"If you don’t believe me, you go into the MIddle East and proclaim Christ is the way, the truth, and the life and see what happens to your life. "

I have when I was a Christian. Nothing at all happened to me.

10/1/2012 4:25:48 AM

UHM

A what wonderful projection...

Can we put some money in a hat and send this guy a textbook on semantics?

10/1/2012 4:37:52 AM

Leighton Buzzard

Anybody told this dork there are hundreds of thousands of assorted Christians all across the Middle East, and while some of them have and had it tough, mostly they get left alone.

10/1/2012 4:40:38 AM

Canadia

As someone who highly values freedom of expression, I'd say you're lucky he's defending your non-existent 'right not to be offended' at all.

10/1/2012 5:02:40 AM



"[W]hy does Barack Obama’s government continue funding the National Endowment for the Arts, which funded Christ in piss, the Virgin Mary painted in dung, etc.?"

I don't know. Why didn't Pres. Bush defund it on the spot? It happened during his administration.

10/1/2012 5:05:53 AM

Doubting Thomas

So wait... you're pissed off because Obama condemns desecration of images of Jesus? And somehow this means that Christianity won't be allowed in the future?

You people hate Obama so much that when he says one thing you try to twist it so that he's saying the exact opposite.

10/1/2012 5:13:25 AM

Mister Spak

" If this is so, why does Barack Obama’s government continue funding the National Endowment for the Arts, which funded Christ in piss, the Virgin Mary painted in dung, etc.?"

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press, dumbass.

10/1/2012 5:39:10 AM

dionysus

Pay careful attention to what he says

I will. But clearly YOU haven't. He's not saying "only Christianity should be slandered", he's saying that no religion should be slandered INCLUDING Christianity. While I don't agree with that I'm at least reading what's actually there and not making up a conflict where none exists.

It is an orthodox Christian belief that Mohammed is not a prophet. Actual Christians, as opposed to many of the supposed Christians put up by the mainstream media, believe that Christ is the only way to salvation. Believing that is slandering Mohammed.

No, it's not. Saying that Mohammad is retarded is a slander. Simply not believing is not slander. No wonder you fundies hate us atheists. You think our simple non-belief is a slander against Jesus, even though it isn't any such thing.

why does Barack Obama’s government continue funding the National Endowment for the Arts, which funded Christ in piss, the Virgin Mary painted in dung, etc.?

Because while Obama can use his free speech to disagree with what someone says with their free speech he can't actually legally do anything to anyone making a religious statement (or a statement against a religion), including revoking funding, without violating both freedom of speech and freedom of religion. All he can do is make a speech strongly condemning it. The second he cuts funding over a religious issue he violates the Constitution.

10/1/2012 6:02:32 AM

Oh My Dog!

You guys just really just want Obama to hate you don't you. Well he doesn't, and you can't claim it without twisting his words. I have never seen anyone work as hard at "being persecuted" as Christian fundies do.

10/1/2012 6:31:49 AM

Rabbit of Caerbannog

When they can't take him out of context, they simply invent new context out of whole cloth.

10/1/2012 6:37:37 AM

Horsefeathers

"Now, that’s the full paragraph so no one can claim I took him out of context."

You didn't take him out of context. You just didn't understand what he said.

Try reading it again. Slowly. Pay attention this time. If you need help, ask a nice (non-fundy) adult to explain it to you.

10/1/2012 6:43:36 AM

Kulgur

"If you don’t believe me, you go into the MIddle East and proclaim Christ is the way, the truth, and the life and see what happens to your life."

Surely Jesus will protect you from attackers, won't he?

Oh, he won't? Huh. It's almost as if he ISN'T looking over you. Imagine that.

10/1/2012 7:03:32 AM

capello moderno

Silly Obama, why not have free slandering of all religions, rather than oh-dearie-me-we-can't-have-that-now-can-we about all religions.


10/1/2012 7:22:29 AM

John

Note he says we cannot “slander the prophet of Islam” but it’s only the image of Christ in the next sentence

Jeez, does this guy have a reading comprehension problem or what? Obama is simply saying that slandering Mohammad is wrong, but you're a hypocrite if you condemn slandering Mohammad but think it's OK to slander Jesus, destroy churches or deny the Holocaust.

In other words, he's criticizing lunatic-fringe Muslims, for crissake!

it’s only the image of Christ in the next sentence — not actually Christ himself desecrated.

How can someone desecrate Christ? He's been dead for 2,000 years. Besides, no one has been slandering Christ; they've been attacking Christians, burning their churches and desecrating images.

10/1/2012 7:47:33 AM

Tatsukun

"If this is so, why does Barack Obama’s government continue funding the National Endowment for the Arts, which funded Christ in piss, the Virgin Mary painted in dung, etc.?"

Um... first amendment? You know, the US Constitution, that thing the right pretends to have a raging hard-on for.

10/1/2012 8:27:06 AM

Felis >:3

I agree that hatred towards all religions should be condemned, but why is Obama only coming out with this in response to that stupid film that mocks Mohammed?

Way to go mate, blaming the writers of that film for all the violence that occured.

10/1/2012 9:17:49 AM

Rabbit of Caerbannog

@Felis >:3

"Way to go mate, blaming the writers of that film for all the violence that occured."

You sound like you're not very familiar with the series of events surrounding the movie in question.

I wrote about the motivations of the person who made the movie here:
http://www.fstdt.com/QuoteComment.aspx?QID=89726&Page=2#1451016

To say Nakoula Basseley Nakoula has no responsibility for the attacks would be disingenuous.

10/1/2012 9:44:17 AM

fmitchell

Wait, so this guy actually believes an artist took the actual Jesus Christ and dropped him in a jar of urine? That someone smeared excrement over the living, breathing woman who was the mother of Jesus? Because otherwise the distinction between "image of Christ" and "Christ" has no meaning.

10/1/2012 10:21:03 AM

frustrated

So instead of telling them not to kill people when they're offended, the response is "don't offend them"? Boy, are liberals in for a shock when they find out minorities don't all getalong with each other. Have fun wrestling with whether telling Muslums not to execute gays is evil because it's "imperialist".

10/1/2012 11:50:52 AM

farpadokly

Wow. The Piss Christ was in 1987, when Ronald Reagan was president. And the Chris Offili Virgin Mary painting was 1996. But of course, Obama is to blame for them, like he's to blame for everything else. He reached back through time with his demonic powers and caused them to be created.

10/1/2012 12:42:44 PM

Old Viking

The quintessence of confusion.

10/1/2012 1:22:46 PM
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