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[Two HIV+ men rape a 17-year old boy.]

Well, all you homo-lovers out there, here's a little more blood on your hands. You saw the study data the same as we did that showed homosexuals to be thirty times (30!) more likely to molest children than straights are, that they are substantially more likely to have STDs, but you were so very worried about appearing intolerant.

Well, you have helped rape this boy as surely as they have.

Fading Light, Stormfront 55 Comments [10/5/2012 7:04:34 AM]
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Canadia

How delightful of you to misrepresent statistics to push homophobia whilst feigning concern for the victim.

10/5/2012 7:20:14 AM

Dr.Shrinker

"You saw the study data the same as we did that showed homosexuals to be thirty times (30!) more likely to molest children than straights are,..."

- Actually the data I saw suggested quite the opposite.

10/5/2012 7:23:22 AM

sandchigger

As I'm not about to connect my computer to Stormfront could someone let us know if this was a violent rape (as indicated by the comments) or a statutory rape (as indicated by the age of the victim)? Not to lessen the impact but - again without investigating the claim - the story might be "17 year old boy contracts AIDS from his older boyfriend".

10/5/2012 7:28:27 AM

wombat

Ahh... you don't care about that kid.

You only care about one thing.

10/5/2012 7:35:41 AM

motobreath

You couldn't even pull these figures out of the average ass if you tried, it would have to be a pretty wide asshole to get numbers like that out.

10/5/2012 7:35:42 AM

dionysus

So, you're going to use one case to justify your skewed statistics and hatred? Okay, well then I have a large number of stories about white people raping other people therefore white people are 30 times more likely to rape people and therefore are not the superior race. Therefore your entire ideology falls apart.

QED

10/5/2012 7:36:59 AM

Justanotheratheist

No, I have done no such thing, so please fuck off.

10/5/2012 7:45:46 AM

Swede

How many 17-year-old girls were raped by older men the same day that this rape happened?

In my country, a 17-year-old is considered sexually mature, an adult. People under 15 are considered to be children.

I don't care about my appearance that much, I AM tolerant towards people, until they (the individuals) have shown that they don't deserve my respect.

Oh, and Citation very much needed for you figures.

10/5/2012 7:51:07 AM

Arctic Knight

For those interested in the original story, it can be found here:

Dailymail.co.uk

Interestingly, I found a link on that page that leads to this story about a teacher having sex with a 17 year old boy (same age as the one in the rape story), so I guess teachers are 30 times more likely to rape children as well? That's the only conclusion I can make when trying to follow Fading Light's logic.

10/5/2012 7:53:09 AM

anothga

"You saw the study data the same as we did that showed homosexuals to be thirty times (30!) more likely to molest children than straights are, that they are substantially more likely to have STDs."

[citation needed]

10/5/2012 7:55:23 AM

Frostythesnowman

So, this incident was made more likely because I'm not a bigot? And this claim is backed up by a statistic which you made up.

I can't say that I'm convinced.

10/5/2012 8:21:12 AM

Papabear

Uh, except that I know of no credible study showing gays 30 times more likely to molest children. I do, however, have it on good authority that stormfront posters are much more likely to misrepresent the facts, be homophobic, and blame the innocent than members of the general public.

10/5/2012 8:25:14 AM

John_in_Oz

Groth and Birnbaum (1978) studied 175 adult males who were convicted in Massachusetts of sexual assault against a child. None of the men had an exclusively homosexual adult sexual orientation. 83 (47%) were classified as "fixated;" 70 others (40%) were classified as regressed adult heterosexuals; the remaining 22 (13%) were classified as regressed adult bisexuals. Of the last group, Groth and Birnbaum observed that "in their adult relationships they engaged in sex on occasion with men as well as with women. However, in no case did this attraction to men exceed their preference for women....There were no men who were primarily sexually attracted to other adult males..." (p.180).

http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/facts_molestation.html

10/5/2012 8:28:55 AM

Filin De Blanc

What blood? If you actually read the article, the victim didn't contract HIV.

Also, quit making up statistics.

10/5/2012 8:29:29 AM

J. James

Rape is a terrible thing. It's also not something that an entire group of people can have shared culpability for. Imagine if the courts worked that way:

"Fading Light, AKA Dingis Otisburger, you're under arrest for the murder of Jocelyn Pearce."

"Who? What? I don't even know her!"

"Eh. You're white, and so's the killer. Same difference."

10/5/2012 8:36:42 AM

John

There's only one study I've ever seen that suggested homosexuals more likely to molest children, and that was a lazy and ridiculous "study" based, not on the sexual orientation of the pedophile, but on the gender of the victim. The author simply concluded that because a lot of the victims were boys, the pedophile must have been gay - which is patently stupid, since there are many examples of men who are heterosexual with adults or have no attraction to adults of either sex ("fixated") molesting boys. Boys just aren't watched as closely, so there's more opportunity.

Studies where the actual sexual orientation of pedophile himself was examined showed no particular bias toward homosexuals.

10/5/2012 8:42:58 AM

UHM

Wonder how many of these "30%" were priests teaching that homosexuality is a sin.

10/5/2012 10:03:49 AM

freako104

What statistics were you looking at?

10/5/2012 10:11:05 AM

VioletBeauregarde

I love everyone...it's true that the men did something heinous and I feel bad for the boy, but you shouldn't HATE anyone!

10/5/2012 10:15:54 AM

Ebon

You saw the study data the same as we did that showed homosexuals to be thirty times (30!) more likely to molest children than straights are

No, we haven't because that's a flat lie.

Well, you have helped rape this boy as surely as they have.

1) Bullshit.
2) Can we blame the carny barkers on the right for all the right-wing nutters that have been shooting people lately then?

10/5/2012 11:59:31 AM

dp

those two men clearly weren't real homosexuals.

hey, no true scotsman works for christians, why not homosexuals?

10/5/2012 12:04:42 PM

Oh My Dog!

Will you be turning yourself in for your role in the murder of James Byrd, Jr. then?

No?

What do you mean your not guilty of killing him? You're a white guy aren't you?


10/5/2012 12:24:58 PM

GigaGuess

There was a man here in Alberta. He systematically set out to seduce women and have sex with them with the sole purpose of infecting them with HIV.

I will apologize for these two assholes the moment you apologize for him. Not a second sooner.

Also, serious citation needed on the molestation stats, and as for the STDs, that is what rubbers are for.

10/5/2012 12:40:40 PM

Xotan

Gutter press cannot even spell properly.

..."stripped him naked from the waste [sic] down"

The youth is then reported to have left "by foot". The idiom is "on foot". "By foot" means that a foot came to the door to collect him - like a taxi.

The questions arise:

- was this a gay bar?

- if so what was a 17 year old doing there?

- age of consent in Spain? I believe 17, if not younger.

Conclusion, it is not beyond possibility that this young man is in part responsible for what happened. Thankfully he did not contract HIV. It is no credit to his savoir faire that he got himself into this situation. Although I could never approve of the action of the older men, if the young man is old enough (and stupid enough) to drink himself into oblivion, then he is old enough to accept a fair proportion of the blame for whatever the consequences may be. If he was not capable of controlling himself and the situation he was in, he should not have been out alone.

And why do I have the impression that if something similar had happened to a woman, Fading Light would blame her?

As for supposed study data, citation badly needed. Otherwise no credibility allowed.

10/5/2012 1:24:26 PM

Jezebel's Evil Sister

No. I did NOT see the study data.

That's because it exists only within your disordered mind.

10/5/2012 1:24:35 PM
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