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Universalism is a movement to recognize all religions as equally true and viable options to recognize the one true God. Universalists usually believe all spiritual movements lead to God and usually acknowledge Jesus Christ as a great moral teacher. Many believe man is inherently good and that all are destined to eternal life with God.

The Universalist movement will eventually be the one world religion worshipping anti-christ in the final days. It will meld all or most religions into a humanistic, self-serving religion with no absolute truth or standard of morality. In essence, members will be “self worshippers” believing man is god

????, Stand up for the truth 77 Comments [10/7/2012 6:50:41 AM]
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Your current religions are already self-serving with no absolute truth or standard of morality so what difference does it make if they add Humanism to your crock of shit?

10/8/2012 10:50:16 AM


Let's bet some money on your prophecy.

10/8/2012 11:12:32 AM


@Dr.Shrinker #1456032

I wonder if "his4life" has been tested for syphilis. This kind of brain rot is typical of the end stages of the disease.

10/8/2012 11:28:23 AM


It's the brain rot that is caused by something called "Sola Scriptora" and "inerrancy." I'm not a big Christian, though I'm not big anything. Yay being agnostic!

I will say, there's two way religion works. If you make it about you, that leads to the darkside. It motivates fundies to suppress minorities, women, and other types. It leads to crusades and inquisitions. Why some Evanglical groups conduct bullying to get people to vote Republican and inquisition to make sure they believe the same thing. It's why the Catholics responded to "BURN THE HERETICS" to the reformation (To a degree).

The second is about making it about others. Christian's who believe that foremost is the idea that Loving your neighbour as yourself. Those people we know as well. From the Western perspective we tend to wind up with some of the Saintsalong with others.


Doing good works, caring for the least of these is how one gets into heaven. Knowing Jesus is about caring for the least of all. Instead of attacking atheists, become a beacon of light. Sacrifice and give of yourself to care for others. You may be his for life, but if I had a wife... I'd prefer a idealistic, caring individual that gives of themselves... while not being a total pushover, understands that charity and altruism are the heart of goodness.

Which sadly, Conservative Christians seem to lack. It's a doctrine of "All about me" because all you have to do is believe in Jesus apparently to get into heaven. It can justify slavery and hatred, somehow. Just like the OP apparently desires, a world where we don't love each other... but breed of hate and digust.

10/8/2012 11:44:26 AM


Hey, I'm sorry if you got that impression of me, Matt, but that's now how I am at all, ok? I mean, I do believe in helping others not as a way of getting into heaven, but as a way of reflecting the grace that's been given to me. I am a sinner who deserves eternity in hell, but Jesus in his love saved me. So I can likewise learn to love and forgive others, even those who don't deserve it. It's not "all about me." It's all about HIM. Everything I do comes from him and everything I do is for him.

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10/8/2012 8:20:42 PM


Mattiedef is short for Material Defender. It makes me seem far more adorable than my normal self... because a woman gave me the nickname.

Now, as for you.

Jesus works outside of time and space. He is also one part of the holy Trinity, which God, is part of. Wouldn't it be assumeable than that knowing just one part of the trinity, God, would be sufficient for knowing Jesus? Unless of course, you believe they aren't one in the same entity. At the very least this is applicable to Muslims and Jewish beliefs.

Still agnostic, but it usually helps to argue in the same language they do. Mocking people gets nobody anywhere.

10/8/2012 10:31:32 PM

capello moderno

Umm yeah, so ..still thinking about the monkeys, though. So the story goes:
God makes man in his picture, Satan is jealous and makes monkeys to mock us.

Now that's a perfectly symmetrical story, but wait, does the creation reflect the creator? In that case wouldn't mankind have to be a lot more charming and likeable than apes? Maybe it's just me (he wrote rhetorically), but I see no shread of evidence for the evil nature or intent of apes.

But, if they're not really evil, is it not wrong (and I can't believe I'm writing this.. =))to condemn apes to eternal pain in the flaming pits of hell?

Should one consequently, in protest to the injustice facing apes, become a satanist?

Think about it.. man

10/9/2012 5:22:32 AM


Capello, if apes were innocent and my theory about them proved to be incorrect, then yes, it would be wrong to send them to hell and God would not do so. God will not send anyone innocent to hell. Remember, hell was originally created only for the devil and his fallen angels, not for man or any other creature. But those who (knowingly or unknowingly) follow the devil will also share his fate and will spend eternity with him in the lake of fire.

10/9/2012 6:10:30 AM

Filin De Blanc

I wonder what other animals His4Life has decided for no particular reason are going to hell. Raccoons? They do have those burglar masks...

10/9/2012 6:19:10 AM


This is the strangest argument I've ever seen, and I mean both the quote and the comments.

10/9/2012 3:15:34 PM

capello moderno

"If apes were innocent.."
..yes, if only it were so.
A pious dream indeed.

10/10/2012 12:50:25 AM


It's not about "animals going to hell." Apes are not animals. They are warped creations made to mock God's creation of man. God created and loves the animals he made during the six days of creation. He did not make apes.

10/10/2012 5:15:40 PM


"Apes are not animals."

Well they're certainly not plants, protists, fungi, bacteria, or archaea. Congratulations. You fail kindergarten science. Shocking.

10/10/2012 8:47:42 PM

Filin De Blanc

"It's not about "animals going to hell." Apes are not animals. They are warped creations made to mock God's creation of man. God created and loves the animals he made during the six days of creation. He did not make apes."

And your basis for saying this is what exactly? Nothing. There is no biblical support for this whatsoever - you're just making stuff up and pretending God agrees with you. I'm pretty sure adding to the Bible is supposed to be a sin, you know.

10/11/2012 2:27:08 AM


Where in any of the six days of creation does God create apes or primates? Primates are not "beasts of the field."

My saying they're not "animals" is probably incorrect from a scientific perspective. Yes, they are animals. But they're not part of God's creation, per se. They are warped mockeries made to mimic the image of God in man. This is why they look like us, only distorted and grotesque.

10/11/2012 6:03:47 AM

Filin De Blanc

"Primates are not "beasts of the field.""

So any land-dwelling animal that doesn't literally live in fields is of the Debbil? Tapirs are the spawn of Satan? We're seriously going down this route?

10/11/2012 6:12:03 AM

David B.

I'm a noniversalist, I recognise all religions as equally false.

10/11/2012 6:58:42 AM


No, of course not, but a primate is not a "beast of the field." It's a humanoid creature.

10/11/2012 9:13:37 PM

Filin De Blanc

"No, of course not, but a primate is not a "beast of the field." It's a humanoid creature."

How on earth do you determine what is or isn't a "beast of the field"?

10/12/2012 12:41:01 AM


They are grazing animals, if I remember the Hebrew correctly.

One of the elders in my church had a vision about heaven and hell a few years back. He said that there were piles of apes stacked up like little bonfire heaps all throughout hell. :)

10/13/2012 9:46:22 AM

Filin De Blanc

So every animal that doesn't graze is going to hell? Tigers are in hell?

"One of the elders in my church had a vision about heaven and hell a few years back. He said that there were piles of apes stacked up like little bonfire heaps all throughout hell. :)"

I thought you were supposed to believe in the Bible, not the hallucinations of senile old people.

Also, if God hates apes so much why didn't he just tell Noah to leave them behind?

10/13/2012 9:50:58 AM


No, other kinds of animals were made throughout the creation week, but I don't recall anywhere where apes or primates are discussed.

That is a good question about Noah, though. I will have to do some research on that and see what I can learn.

10/13/2012 10:02:44 PM


Ok, I asked my pastor for some clarification. He does not agree with me on this topic and suggested I do some more studying on it. He said that there is nothing in scripture condemning apes and that the vision one of our elders had a number of years ago was a subjective experience and not to be taken as doctrine. He also reminded me that in the elder's vision, the apes he saw in hell appeared to be dead and were not being actively tormented, and said that my conclusion that God would torture apes in hell is off base, becaue the apes are not necessarily guilty of sin like humans are since they don't have a conscience or moral compass to follow. I'll have to dig into this topic more before I comment further, but I'm willing to acknowledge that my opinions may have been formed in haste.

10/14/2012 4:25:26 PM

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