"the Founding Fathers would not recognize an America in which bureaucrats rather than parents determine what counseling is appropriate for their children"
Firstly, who the hell are you to say what the FFs would or would not recognize?
Secondly, replace 'bureaucrats' with 'experts in psychology' and you realize how little sense what you wrote makes.
Mind you, I say 'you', but what are the chances he'll ever actually read this?
10/7/2012 7:15:16 AM
And if you and the other fundies would get over your aversion to all things sexual and mind your own damn business, teens wouldn't get fucked up in the head trying to deal with the negative bullshit heaped on them by "loving christians" in this country.
10/7/2012 7:19:48 AM
Parents don't own their children. In particular, they have no business sending their children in for psychological abuse to rid them of an unchangeable and harmless trait.
10/7/2012 7:28:39 AM
Filin De Blanc
Ah yes, the old "gayness is still a disorder, but those evil homos forced the APA to take it out." If we're playing that game, I'd like Blount to provide evidence that being a Moonbattery poster isn't a psychiatric disorder that the right-wing forced the APA to leave out of the diagnostic manual.
10/7/2012 7:35:55 AM
How dare you. You speak for the Founding Fathers (especially ridiculous, considering everything we know about most of them as liberal, enlightened types), and you decide that homosexuality is a "psychiatric malady" despite the evidence from people who have actually studied the subject. Who the hell do you think you are?
10/7/2012 7:36:59 AM
Dave Blount - one of the craziest motherfuckers out there. Weirldy he also doesn't seem to have a problem with sex (judging from what goes on Moonbattery in terms of insults) - he just seems to have a problem with anybody who agrees with him.
@Sgt: Yeah who's he to say how the Fantastic Four would think about something - oh wait, that's not what you meant.
10/7/2012 7:39:37 AM
Well at least he's saying it's an "illness" and not fucking possession by demons and sprites. Maybe with another 300 or so years to think about it he'll come to the conclusion that some people are just attracted to members of their own gender and it's not really that much of a big deal.
10/7/2012 7:44:31 AM
Maybe we could try conversion therapy on fundies, see how they like it.
10/7/2012 7:56:49 AM
> Conversion therapy is a means of helping troubled teens overcome psychiatric maladies that have been deleted from the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders for political reasons.
...and because the actual psychologists couldn't figure out an actually effective cure. Which was especially ridiculous because it isn't actually harmful to anyone to begin with.
If you claim to have found a cure to something that isn't even a harmful condition, you'd better have pretty solid proof that what you're doing is actually effective. (Don't bother - the actual results from conversion therapy are less than stellar. Which just may have had something to do with the ban.)
> the Founding Fathers would not recognize an America in which bureaucrats rather than parents determine what counseling is appropriate for their children
Yeah, if there's one thing America should be proud of, it's the long tradition of quack medicine. Grab a top hat and peddle some snake oil. Quintessentially American.
Seriously, though: there's nothing wrong with being proud of amusing old traditions, but if people want to actually heal maladies, we've got actual science to do that these days.
10/7/2012 8:11:05 AM
Conversion therapy is a means of helping troubled teens overcome psychiatric maladies
If it were that, it wouldn't be banned. Actually, it's a means of helping troubled teens lighten their wallets without giving them any visible help.
10/7/2012 8:12:03 AM
Rabbit of Caerbannog
"How dare you ban a pseudoscientific form of child abuse!" -Dave Blount, King of the Asshats
10/7/2012 8:16:45 AM
Conversion therapy is a means of helping troubled teens overcome psychiatric maladies that have been deleted from the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders for political reasons.
No, you lying scumbag. It was deleted from the DSM because it doesn't fit the criteria of an illness! Conversion "therapy" is a pseudo-scientific form of quackery that causes immense psychological harm.
10/7/2012 8:46:14 AM
I sorta doubt this was on the founders minds.
10/7/2012 8:50:01 AM
You know, I've always suspected some of those Founding Fathers of being a just a wee bit gay. Not to mention that not a one of them would recognise 21st century America, period.
10/7/2012 8:57:22 AM
Conservatives, who think nothing of rape, are in no position to accuse anyone else of sexual depravity. They are also in no position to talk about health, considering how lacking in mental health they are.
10/7/2012 9:05:19 AM
Ok, so rape can be 'legitimate' according to Mr Akin, but for 2 adults to be in a consensual relationship is depravity because your Bronze age mythology says so?
If you want to see mental disorder and depravity Dave, look in a mirror.
10/7/2012 9:29:30 AM
I wouldn't say that homosexuality is harmless. If teenagers could actually be cured of the gay, I guarantee you that many would lunge at the opportunity to escape the constant physical and psychological abuses that they face on a daily basis- that is, if they weren't already in love.
If anything, the conversion "therapy" is doubly harmful in that it gives the teenagers a false hope that they can cast off their curse and be accepted as "normal" by their intolerant peers.
And before anyone brings it up, I'm not saying that homosexuality is a curse because it is inherently bad, I'm saying it's a curse because the intolerant MAKE it a curse.
10/7/2012 9:36:41 AM
Hmm, who knows better about psychology? The consensus of thousands of expert psychologists, or some fucker on Moonbattery?
10/7/2012 9:46:57 AM
Idiot. In Colonial era America, bureaucrats, including meddling pastors, had quite a lot to say about how parents treated their children. Original source documents, you slacker.
10/7/2012 9:54:18 AM
Look at the statistics on conversion therapy. It is not in your favour.
10/7/2012 9:57:43 AM
Yeah, and another thing, why does the government insist on labeling poison with those scary labels? Shouldn't I have the freedom to find out for myself?
Fucking Fopunding fathers!
10/7/2012 9:59:19 AM
Homosexuality no longer a mental illness.
In 1973, the weight of empirical data, coupled with changing social norms and the development of a politically active gay community in the United States, led the Board of Directors of the American Psychiatric Association to remove homosexuality from the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM). Some psychiatrists who fiercely opposed their action subsequently circulated a petition calling for a vote on the issue by the Association's membership. That vote was held in 1974, and the Board's decision was ratified.
10/7/2012 10:19:56 AM
"Conversion therapy is a means of helping troubled teens become more suicidal that have been removed from the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders because it does nothing but make the people it's supposed to help much more likely to kill themselves."
10/7/2012 10:26:36 AM
IMHO, Zealotry & Bigotry is a disorder that deserves "Conversion Therapy".
10/7/2012 10:35:46 AM
We all know that the Sacred Sodomy Ritual For Imprisoned Christian Criminals is intended to be used as a reward for good behaviour. However, I hear that its use is widespread in prisons whatever the behaviour of the Christian criminals, good, bad or indifferent.
10/7/2012 10:38:16 AM