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One of the rules that he [St. Paul] promulgated concerned women and their role in the church. He recognized that if given free rein, women would begin to place themselves in positions of authority, where they would inevitably cause trouble for the early Christians. Therefore, he made himself very clear about their role, taking special care to prevent them from teaching and preaching to men.


This may not be a pleasant or comfortable passage for the modern Western woman, but there it is.

Unfortunately, a number of women calling themselves “Christian” have taken it on themselves to teach and preach to men. It is quite common these days, having become almost normative, and the results should have been predictable.

Take Katherine Jefferts Schori for example. Currently the head of the Episcopalian Church in the US, she has all but run that institution into the ground. Some may argue that this is because she is liberal, but I’m not sure that’s the case. St. Paul made no distinctions based on politics, but rather sex.

Certain conservative women have also taken it upon themselves to ignore Paul and start preaching in all but name themselves. They certainly don’t shy away from presuming to teach men when it comes to spiritual matters, which is also clearly proscribed by Paul.


With little to do, these women go around gossiping and provoking people, and taking on inappropriate roles. They might pit men against each other for some little thrill, or simply as a consequence of getting involved in what rightly ought to be worked out amongst men. When the inevitable spat develops, men’s instinct to come to the defense of women is triggered, and next thing you know guys are raising their voices and balling up their fists. This is almost guaranteed to happen, and it proves Paul’s wisdom in his epistle to Timothy.

W. F. Price, The Spearhead 33 Comments [10/12/2012 5:57:36 AM]
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So instead, men, who were given free rein, placed themselves in positions of authority and caused trouble for early Christians (as well as all the other Christians, not to mention the rest of us).

10/12/2012 6:40:54 PM


The last place I would look to for advice on relations between men and women is the Bible. Is it filled with patriarchal misogynist rubbish.

10/12/2012 6:58:08 PM


It says something that I could pick this out as a Spearhead post within the first sentence.

10/12/2012 10:26:45 PM



Agreed. IMHO, I think the New Testament should be whittled down to the Gospels & the REAL Pauline letters.

Remove the spurious & forged ones and Paul MOSTLY comes across as an okay guy. Retain them & Paul is a contradictory sexist, bigoted dickwad.

I would say the same about The Koran. The stuff written in Medina should be cut out & ignored. The junk that the IslamoFundies focus on is all the nasty, hateful stuff written by Mohammed when his head got big & he became a raging warlord.
The stuff written in Mecca, however, were, beautiful, poetic, spiritual, noble, balanced, tolerant & more egalitarian....when Mohammed was a legitimate prophet, mystic & teacher.

One may have to pretty much revamp Islam as a faith from the ground-up for a purely Meccan-Koran mindset....but IMHO, power corrupts & power corrupted Mohammed absolutely. His Medinan revelations were not legit, just him making up crap to justify being a jerk.

I think the Gnostic stuff should be made canonical & applied to all faiths. That way, you wont have to edit scriptures up the wazoo but instead, say "This blood, guts & hate stuff are Demiurgic corruptions".

10/13/2012 6:15:11 PM


I bring this point up everytime a fundie woman tries to preach to me.

10/13/2012 9:35:30 PM


"There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus."
St Paul

10/14/2012 5:50:20 PM

the other apostles thought Paul was a cock, and they were backstabbing shitweasels.

What does that tell you about his character?

10/14/2012 8:26:41 PM

I wonder, if it's so crystaline clear, why did God make some women more capable than men to teach?.

10/29/2012 4:28:36 AM

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