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I have a confession to make; I was bullied when I was in grammar school, and I went to both state run and private schools during my time in grammar school. In both, I was bulled and the staff did little to nothing to stop it. I also grew up with homosexual attractions while I was in the private grammar school which was also a very conservative Roman Catholic School. But I survived and I am still very thankful for my Roman Catholic education for providing me an great education not only on the “ 3 R’S” but on moral values and ethics.

Now, I must say, at the time, the bullying seemed to have no real value. I was bullied because of me weight, of a tumor I had on right side of my cheek, a small pony tail that I used to have, of my learning disability and my alleged and actually true homosexual “crush” on another student, which was actually my first “crush.” But unlike today, I fought back. Well, I did not really fight anyone, I “ripped” on them back.

Today, I hardly talk to them and when I do, we just laugh at it. People mature and people move on. I strongly believe that a bully in his childhood is a bully in his/her adulthood. And if they are, they are most likely just passive-aggressive arses.

Without the bullying that I went through as a child and early teenager, I would not able to survive in adult world today. I had have supervisors that were just plain dicks, and guess what, I am still living. If you can’t handle grammar, middle and high school and the bullies that come with it, then I’m sorry, you are the problem, not the bully.

Currently, especially in the U.S, we seem to have an all of a sudden focus on children and teenagers that are homosexual. There are claims that we need to protect them from the bullies because if someone “harasses” based on their sexuality, they are “harmed” so how. That they need to be a protected class because…well I haven’t really heard a reason why from the advocate for it.

Firstly, I grew up homosexual in a Roman Catholic private school, I was told every day that people like myself was going to hell. In fact, my private school and parish went one step further and preached that even having homosexual attractions was a sin, let alone acting on them. So, I felt like crap and at times, I did want to kill myself. But guess what? I survived through the medicine.

Yes, I am saying that the bullying of homosexual teens is beneficial to them, because it will teach them how to fight back and that not everyone is going to accept homosexuality just because it is “the right and smart thing to do”. There is going to ignorant people out there and people are going to “cling to their religion”, deal with it. It will also teach them not to be ahem...overly expressive in professional environments.

Anglican Prussia, Nationstates 75 Comments [10/12/2012 6:08:36 AM]
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Papabear

Babble, ramble, babble, ramble... geez.

You believe people grow up and move on and yet in the next sentence you say "a bully in his childhood is a bully in his/her adulthood."


"Without the bullying that I went through as a child and early teenager, I would not able to survive in adult world today. I had have supervisors that were just plain dicks... "

Or, maybe you would have survived and been much happier having hadthe sense not to work for "dicks."

That you think bullying is beneficial points strongly to the conclusion that you are one of the "dicks."



10/12/2012 11:41:26 AM

Reynardine

Guess what? A lot of people didn't survive, and a lot more were damaged.

10/12/2012 11:42:49 AM

QuasiRodent

There's a difference between giving kids a dose of reality by not totally swaddling them in bubble wrap and -bullying-. I am in my 30s and still recovering from bullying trauma.

10/12/2012 11:52:23 AM

UHM

Ok, ehm... I was bullied in school too and saying that bullying makes kids stronger is correct, but not everything that makes people stronger should be done. For example war hardens people (if doesn't break them), but that doesn't mean we should be at a constant state of war with one another.

Now I don't know what country this guy is from, but I'm from Germany which today is pretty progressive about LGBT issues and I grew up in a very conservative area of Germany. When my at that time best friend came as bisexual and later as lesbian she didn't face any bulling or any discrimination from anyone (and by "came out" I mean "made out with her girlfriend in the hallway"). She told her mother by telling her she had girlfriend - droping in a casual sentence. Most of the reactions were as much a being told somebody had to go home by bus (pretty normal over here), or simply none at all. For short she has never been bullied for being gay, and for that she is lucky and quiet happy. Basically the only traumata this woman ever had was being abandond by her biological father and being stuck in Japan during the Tohoku earthquake in 2011 for three days.

You on the other hand had to take meds not to kill yourself.

10/12/2012 11:59:57 AM

smartz

Oh boy, a bully apologist! Listen, asswipe, not everyone is like you, so don't assume everyone can react the same way to problems as you do, especially to bullies, no matter what the age. If you don't realise this, then you need to take a deep look at yourself and understand that you are a monster for being so insensitive to the victims of bullying. Tell the parents of bully victims who KILLED themselves because they couldn't handle the harassment and ridicule of their peers.

P.S. So what if your supervisor was a dick to you, standing up to him isn't a result from your past bullying, it's by being a mature adult, unlike your supervisor. And the path to being a mature adult doesn't include physical and mental trauma, if anything, such trauma makes you less capable of becoming mature mentally.

10/12/2012 1:10:41 PM

Old Viking

Bullying is not beneficial. It is, however, a fact of life, especially if you're a boy. And it may not be your stature, your appearance, your sexual identity, or your beliefs that make you a victim. Often a non-aggressive personality will be the target of a bully, who torments others simply because it pleases him to do so. Unfortunately, the best solution is not available to all. In my instance, I was among the prey of a neighborhood bully for a number of years. One day I persuaded him to look elsewhere by beating him black-eyed, gushing nosed, split-lipped bloody. Turned out that this had been the solution all along.

10/12/2012 1:28:58 PM

Canadia

You have the audacity to call people weak for not coping with a situation you yourself could not cope with; eeking by on pills to dodge suicide. You're a real piece of work, there, I'll chock it up to the bullying.

10/12/2012 1:34:37 PM

Crunk

I actually agree with all of this.

Adversity builds character, but more importantly, if someone is being "bullied", they've done something to deserve it. Maybe it's because they're fat, or maybe it's because they act weird.

Either way, if they improved themselves, they would not be "bullied". The reason they are "bullied" is because they don't meet the standards of society, and those standards exist for a reason.

I have met people who were "bullied" in school, and most of the ones who didn't get over it are horrible people. There's always something wrong with them. Too emotional, don't take care of themselves, just act weird or crazy.

The lesson I take from that is that the ones willing to change and improve themselves don't suffer from the "bullying", and, well, who cares about the ones who do? It's their own fault, and really, they have no right to complain.

As to the idea of gay teens committing suicide after being "bullied" for being gay, I say, really? In my experience things like sexual orientation may be a topic for a "bully" to use, but really, there's some other reason why they're doing it in the first place, reasons that are usually the person being bullied's fault.

Regardless, I have zero sympathy for people who commit suicide or attempt it because they were "bullied". If they're so stubborn that they'd rather die than grow and improve, learn from the experience, then good riddance. Like I said, I've met people who are all, "Ohh boo hoo! I was bullied in school!" and they're awful. The fewer of them we have, the better.

10/12/2012 1:36:12 PM

Crunk

I know people are going to chew me out over what I said, so here's an example that proves my point:

When I was in school, I tended to give one girl a hard time. I'm not sure if it was "bullying" though. Lets call her Steph. Steph had a lot of problems and didn't seem to want to fix them. She slept during class and would cry at the drop of a hat (part of why it was so fun). She also didn't try to make friends, didn't participate in extracurriculars, got bad grades etc. She would also talk about really bizarre things like witchcraft. Another thing: she never made eye contact with anyone. Now, if she had taken what I had to say to heart, she may have had a better life.

But guess what? She didn't. I saw her two months ago for the first time in years and she's still a basketcase. She's unemployed, and I heard through the grapevine that she's actually been hospitalized a few times for "emotional problems."

We need fewer people like that in the world.

10/12/2012 1:37:27 PM

shykid

Absolute pure self-hatred and internalized homophobia. Sick and sad.

10/12/2012 1:53:38 PM

Canuovea

Crunk,

Interesting. Though arguably, it is possible that the bullying is what caused so many problems for this "Steph" in the first place. If it wasn't the cause of these problems, it probably just made them worse.

Basically, what you suggest is pretty much an "only the strong survive" approach to society. Which is kinda against the point of society. Personally, I prefer a more empathetic basis for society where everyone works to help everyone else succeed.

10/12/2012 2:02:49 PM



@Crunk

No offence, but you sound like a fucking shaft.

10/12/2012 2:04:43 PM



Bullying does offer benefits to the victim in the fullness of time and age blah blah blah... if they don't end their lives over or become self loathing.

I'm seeing some serious self loathing from this person if he's cool with children being torturer and tortured. Bullies have to grow up too, and live with their guilt. There might not be a God or Hell but the brain keeps track.

10/12/2012 2:12:12 PM

Nagol

Adversity builds character, but more importantly, if someone is being "bullied", they've done something to deserve it. Maybe it's because they're fat, or maybe it's because they act weird.

I can already tell you're a bully yourself. No one deserves to be bullied. If someone chooses to physically or emotionally torture someone it's their fault for being a asshole. Adversity also causes mental problems to. Also, what if the person is bullied because of something they can't change (being retarded, disabled, or gay)?

Either way, if they improved themselves, they would not be "bullied". The reason they are "bullied" is because they don't meet the standards of society, and those standards exist for a reason.

Oh, yes, bullies aren't cruel, they're just enforcing society's "standards". Here's an idea, maybe some of society's "standards" are unjust and this is just an excuse you've come up with to justify bullying, feel less guilty about being a bully, and dehumanize the victims of bullying? Also, there are some people who can't change, as I mentioned before.


I have met people who were "bullied" in school, and most of the ones who didn't get over it are horrible people. There's always something wrong with them. Too emotional, don't take care of themselves, just act weird or crazy.

Has it ever occurred to you that maybe the reason they're like this is BECAUSE of what the bullies (like you, probably) put them through?

The lesson I take from that is that the ones willing to change and improve themselves don't suffer from the "bullying", and, well, who cares about the ones who do? It's their own fault, and really, they have no right to complain.

The lesson I'm learning from this is that you're a sociopath. The fact that some people are incapable of dealing with their psychological problems on their own is not their fault.

As to the idea of gay teens committing suicide after being "bullied" for being gay, I say, really? In my experience things like sexual orientation may be a topic for a "bully" to use, but really, there's some other reason why they're doing it in the first place, reasons that are usually the person being bullied's fault.

Just who the hell are you to say that about countless gay children? How do you know that it's "their fault" that they couldn't deal with the despair inflicted upon them based upon something the can't change. Fuck you for blaming the victim.

Regardless, I have zero sympathy for people who commit suicide or attempt it because they were "bullied". If they're so stubborn that they'd rather die than grow and improve, learn from the experience, then good riddance. Like I said, I've met people who are all, "Ohh boo hoo! I was bullied in school!" and they're awful. The fewer of them we have, the better.

Of course you don't have sympathy. People who bully never do. You've proven yourself to be a sociopathic monster. The world would really be better of without assholes like you, who blame their victims for the problems they helped to cause.

EDIT:

Your example didn't make things any better. You've proven that you are a bully yourself and the only reason you say these things is a sick attempt to justify what you've done. You even admitted to having "fun" by making someone cry. Maybe your just a troll, in which case congratulations on getting an inflamed response, you're so accomplished! Either that, or you can't see how twisted and sadistic you are for enjoying someone else's sadness. If she had any problems before she was bullied you just made them worse and left her with severe psychological and emotional wounds that lasted into adulthood. Once again, go fuck yourself, you twisted excuse for a human being. The world would be better without monsters like you.









10/12/2012 2:17:10 PM

ScrappyB

The effects of bullying don't magically go away after it stops. Many people suffer emotional trauma into their adult lives. I'm one of them.

I was bullied mercilessly from 6th grade up until I graduated high school, because I was a taller than normal shy tomboy who switched schools. I'm sure I was clinically depressed through most of it. Even today I have problems with self esteem. I don't trust people easily, and if someone compliments me, I'm automatically suspicious they don't really mean it.

My high school 20 year reunion is next year, and hell will freeze over before I go. If I ever see those poeple again, it will be too soon.

10/12/2012 2:20:03 PM

Amadan

If a man dies when you hang him, keep hanging him til he gets used to it.

Simple!

10/12/2012 2:32:31 PM



Idiots and learning to brush them off are an essential part of growing up, this is true. But condoning bullies and allowing them to torture others emotionally and physically without consequence debilitates society as a whole, encouraging a spiral of predatory pack behavior that results inevitably in them violating rights and laws violently, scoffing at both as privileges of the strong only.

The victims of bullies stay victims all the way through adulthood because they don't know that they can fight back, or their arms get held behind their back figuratively (or even literally) by those in authority and worse, by their peers. You may feel you grew from the experience, but remember everyone is unique. Some bend, some push back, some knuckle under, some break, some give up, and then some give up entirely. Some bullies tease, some torture, others are violent sociopaths, some are completely fucking inhuman.

So have a little common sense, alright?

Oh, and a sense of propriety and restraint need not only apply to guy on guy or girl on girl action. (No matter how much some of us support the latter.) bullying does not factor into that in any way.

10/12/2012 2:36:15 PM

Crunk

Nagol:
<b>Also, what if the person is bullied because of something they can't change (being retarded, disabled, or gay)?</b>
In my entire life I've never seen anyone "bullied" because of something they can't change. It is almost without exception due to their behavior.

<b>Has it ever occurred to you that maybe the reason they're like this is BECAUSE of what the bullies (like you, probably) put them through?</b>
If people saying mean things about you (most of which are true, btw) is enough to give you emotional problems, then you're really not all together as a person to begin with, so no real damage was done.

<b>The lesson I'm learning from this is that you're a sociopath. The fact that some people are incapable of dealing with their psychological problems on their own is not their fault.</b>
What? Nothing you've just said makes any sense. If people are incapable of dealing with their psychological problems on their own, it's definitely their fault. Pretty much by definition. They're psychological problems, not physical. If you can't control your own brain, why should I (or anyone else) help you?

<b>If she had any problems before she was bullied you just made them worse and left her with severe psychological and emotional wounds that lasted into adulthood.</b>
If she had been a decent human being, she wouldn't have "severe psychological and emotional wounds." Bad shit happens to everybody. You just deal with it, and I have no respect for people who refuse to deal with the things that happen to them.

10/12/2012 3:23:54 PM

Crunk

ScrappyB:
My advice to you would be to grow up. If it has been 20 years since your graduation and you're still upset that someone was mean to you back then... why do you refuse to move on? Maybe you think having "self esteem problems" and being unable to take a compliment makes you endearing or something, I don't know because I'm not in your head. But there's no reason you can't get it together and move on, if you really want to.

10/12/2012 3:31:16 PM

ScrappyB

Crunk:

Yes, I really should take the advice of someone who openly admitted taking pleasure in the pain of others and thinks it's fun to make them cry. All for their own good, of course right?

My advice to you would be to grow a sense of empathy, but it's plain you're socially defective and have nothing for it to grow from.

Provided you're not just a troll, you sound like a sociopath. Oh hey, look at the definition of sociopath:

sociopath [ soh-see-uh-path, soh-shee- ]

noun
Psychiatry. 1. a person with a psychopathic personality whose behavior is antisocial often criminal, and who lacks a sense of moral responsibility or social conscience.


Fits you to a T, doesn't it? An empty shell incapable of feeling for others and connecting on any emotional level.

It's sad in a way, but people like you really are a detriment to society. Kindly fuck yourself to death with a rusty nail studded baseball bat.

10/12/2012 3:41:53 PM

freako104

I was not a better person because I was bullied in elementary and middle school. If anything my years in high school and college where there was more acceptance. And even then I have trust issues. Remember Columbine? Those kids were bullied and ahot up their school. You advocate that?

10/12/2012 5:13:41 PM

rikalous

@Crunk: Good god, you're a raging weaselfucker, and stupid besides.

They're psychological problems, not physical. If you can't control your own brain, why should I (or anyone else) help you?
Why don't you spend a few days being Stephen-Hawking-level smart? I mean, it's your own brain, so it must be your choice to be a dipshit rather than a genius. Incidentally, psychological problems can be caused by physical problems with the brain. That's why we have psychiatric drugs, fuckwit.

If she had been a decent human being, she wouldn't have "severe psychological and emotional wounds." Having trouble in school, having interests in things you deem "bizarre", and not wanting to interact with her peers who think it's fun to make her cry are not moral failings, you festering pimple of a human being. Bullying someone? Now that is a fucking moral failing, no matter how many scare quotes you use and how much you victim blame.

Bad shit happens to everybody.
And so...we should try to increase the amount of bad shit happening to people? I can practically hear my neurons screaming just trying to follow your ass-backwards reasoning.

@ScrappyB: No baseball bat deserves that.

10/12/2012 5:22:02 PM

Berny

You, sir, are probably a lying sock puppet.
Die in a fire.

10/12/2012 6:44:37 PM

Danarth

One bullying apologist attracts another bullying apologist.

I don't know if you truely are a sociopath, Crunk but you sure as hell have never been on the recieving end of being bullied.

Your entire little asinine rant effectively boils down to, 'The victim is too blame, and the bully is praiseworthy figure'

Must be nice living so disconnected from reality.

So, you know, fuck you, Crunk.

10/12/2012 10:05:45 PM

Ebon

" then I’m sorry, you are the problem, not the bully."

No, the bullies are the problem. In any situation where there's a bully, they are always the problem. No exceptions.

10/12/2012 10:23:15 PM
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