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The Bible makes clear predictions, and there has never been a case when one of its prophecies has not come to pass. The Good Book has been so successful at foretelling the future, I believe people who scoff at it are making a "Sucker's Bet." They fail to realize that 87 percent of end-time prophecy is already in an advanced state of fulfillment.

The accurate prediction of the rebirth of Israel is Bible prophecy’s most stunning achievement. The Word of God also said that China would rise to be a world power; Europe would form a single government; the world would someday have a globally integrated financial market; and that there would be a diplomatic struggle (which we’re seeing today) over who should control Jerusalem.

There is no need for blind faith in what God has said in His Holy Word. I trust in the Bible because it has proven itself through prophecy.



Todd Strandberg, rapture ready 113 Comments [10/14/2012 4:57:26 AM]
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Doubting Thomas

there has never been a case when one of its prophecies has not come to pass.

Except, you know, when Jesus said that he would return in the lifetimes of the people he was talking to.

10/14/2012 9:57:51 AM

Ebon

Add "European sovereignty" to the list of things fundies don't understand.

10/14/2012 10:09:06 AM

UHM

"Europe would form a single government;" - Only 2/3 of Europe are "under one gvernment" but even that government doesn't have full control over everything. If you don't believe me, get a book.

"The Word of God also said that China would rise to be a world power" I have read the entire Lutheran Bible - China wasn't mentioned.

10/14/2012 10:13:11 AM

Jeff D.

What about the fact that Jesus told his original followers that he would return again in their lifetimes?

10/14/2012 10:47:55 AM

cdcdrr

They fail to realize that 87 percent of end-time prophecy is already in an advanced state of fulfillment.

What about the promise of 'all this will come to pass in your lifetime' made to the apostles by Joshua? If we can't even trust the Bible to get the timeframe right, what chance do we have of anything else being accurate?

10/14/2012 11:26:27 AM

Anon-e-moose

"The accurate prediction of the rebirth of Israel is Bible prophecy’s most stunning achievement. The Word of God also said that China would rise to be a world power"

Chapter and verse please, Toddy-boy. And no, vague 'allusions' & 'metaphor; no 'Gog/Magog' bollocks allowed. Only exact, verbatim direct mention of 'China would rise to be a world power', or be proven that your 'God' - as 'inspiring' his ghost writers - isn't 'omniscient' (certainly about future events/geopolitics etc) therefore he's not God, ergo, he doesn't exist. Q.E. and D., bitch.

"Europe would form a single government"

Turkey. A member of NATO. Who want to be a member of the EU. 'European'? Ever watched the Eurovision Song Contest, Toddy-boy? 'Eurovision', as in Europe? Israel takes part in it. Presumably, Egypt will be wanting to join in too; amirite?!:





Oh no more, please Mr. Wilde, I am bereft of ribs!

"the world would someday have a globally integrated financial market"

Unless Dow Jones, FTSE, Nikkei, Hang Seng, NASDAQ et al agree to trade in, say, the $£ (DollarPound), as per the currency mentioned in the BBC Sci-Fi comedy series "Red Dwarf", S$ (Space Dollars) as per the anime series "Coyote Ragtime Show" (Pirate King Bruce's treasure that Mister & co, and Madame Marciano & her android 'SISTERs' are lookimg for) or Mega-City One Creds in "2000 AD"'s comic series "Judge Dredd", then that's about as likely as your precious (C)Rapture coming to pass.

"and that there would be a diplomatic struggle (which we’re seeing today) over who should control Jerusalem"

Way before the Arab Spring, and previous Israel-Syria/Lebanon/Egypt/etc conflicts, there's always been the little matter of the Church of the Holy Sepulchre in Jerusalem. Major fights between Christian clergy have been sparked off by merely one of them sweeping a part of the floor that another member thinks he shouldn't, and encroached into; even accidentally. You're in no position about 'diplomacy', when you can't even agree about doctrine; no wonder there's thousands of Christian denominations, yet you dare to think about Israel being 'divided' (Disputed Territories; Gaza Strip & so on)?!

"I trust in the Bible because it has proven itself through prophecy"

Seems then, that the likes of Boutros-Boutros Ghali, and Ban Ki-Moon* have been throwing spanners in your 'prophecy' machinery. Nope. Not seeing any mention of the UN in the 'prophetic' Bible.

*- If the Bible is 'prophetic', then chapter and verse, re. UN Secretary General Moon referencing fellow countryman & K-Rapper PSY, and how his musical phenomenon is a cultural force for good.

'Heyyyyyyy Sexy Lady!'

Never mind the Beatles, "Oppa Gangnam Style" - with nearly 500 million views on YouTube - is bigger than God.

10/14/2012 11:30:20 AM

cdcdrr

They fail to realize that 87 percent of end-time prophecy is already in an advanced state of fulfillment.

What about the promise of 'all this will come to pass in your lifetime' made to the apostles by Joshua? If we can't even trust the Bible to get the timeframe right, what chance do we have of anything else being accurate?

10/14/2012 11:31:33 AM

rrpostal

It's true that Israel's creation was an obvious forced fulfillment of prophecy. But it's also far late according to the biblical prophetic time frame. That was an obvious failed prophecy despite all the effort. What's the point of giving details to the prophecies if they are simply ignored when it's a failure? Sleep twice daily on your left side, then a week on you right, then realize you're acting really really stupid.

10/14/2012 12:26:45 PM

Osiris

The only Biblical prophecy you people have is Israel. Except the reason Israel exists is because people like you read those prophecies and said "The Bible says it so we must make it happen." And the sad part is, that's all you have. One self-fulfilled prophecy on top of a heap of failures.

Meanwhile science is always making predictions and its predictions have a far more successful track record.

10/14/2012 12:41:00 PM

His4Life

My understanding is that the prophecy against Tyre specifically applies to Satan, and not to the literal, earthly city. Throughout the Bible, God uses prominent landmarks as metaphors for the kingdom of evil and sin - in the Old Testament, it is often Tyre; in Revelation, for instance, it talks about Babylon, even though Bablylon was no longer a world empire at that time. It was a metaphor for corruption and dereliction of one's duties to God.

10/14/2012 12:54:05 PM

His4Life

Louislois, the beach is nice, but the city itself looks like a fucking dump. Who would want to live there?

10/14/2012 12:56:25 PM

rrpostal

It's true that Israel's creation was an obvious forced fulfillment of prophecy. But it's also far late according to the biblical prophetic time frame. That was an obvious failed prophecy despite all the effort. What's the point of giving details to the prophecies if they are simply ignored when it's a failure? Sleep twice daily on your left side, then a week on you right, then realize you're acting really really stupid.

10/14/2012 1:31:45 PM

breakerslion

Cryptic, over-interpreted fortune cookie ambiguity.

In other words, the seven-headed beast is really YOUR MOTHER AND HER SIX BEST FRIENDS IN THE TRAILER PARK!

Edit: @His4Life - "My understanding is that the prophecy against Tyre specifically applies to Satan, and not to the literal, earthly city."

... And welcome to Excuse-O-Rama! If you can't make it not sound like bullshit, you're doing it wrong!

10/14/2012 1:34:57 PM

Joey

Tyre survived. Babylon never concurred Egypt. Damascus was never permanently destroyed. The end never came, despite claims by the NT writers that it was the "last hour".

10/14/2012 2:15:49 PM

Old Viking

Based on the record, the prophets would have been hard-pressed to predict a fart at a baked bean festival.

10/14/2012 2:31:38 PM

Berny

At one time it was the Soviet Union that was the enemy foretold in Armageddon. Face it, you morons keep reinventing your stories to suit the times. It ain't ever going to happen and you will all die of old age (unless you're unlucky).

10/14/2012 3:16:01 PM

myheadhurts

did we read the same bible?

10/14/2012 3:47:06 PM

Canuovea

Book of Daniel makes an unfulfilled prophecy. Can't happen, because the fellow it referred to is already dead... and he didn't die where and when he was supposed to.

10/14/2012 3:58:20 PM

His4Life

Let's hear it for J-E-S-U-S!

10/14/2012 4:31:28 PM

His4Life

Canouvea, what prophecy are you referring to?

10/14/2012 4:34:30 PM

His4Life

Berny, I personally do not believe we are living in the end times and I definitely do not believe in the rapture (it's not in the Bible). However, dying of old age is not an "out." Most of us will die of old age before Christ returns, but guess what happens then? We meet him face to face. Are you ready?

10/14/2012 4:37:34 PM

checkmate

87 percent of end-time prophecy is already in an advanced state of fulfillment.

87%? Not 86%? or 88%?

Are you sure?

How did you calculate that number? To know the percentage that is fulfilled, you have to know when the enmd is. But the Bible says nobody knows when the end is.

"for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh." (Matthew 25:13)

Acording to your own fairy tale, to say you do know is a sin.

Have fun in hell.

10/14/2012 5:05:04 PM

mikek44224

Citation Needed

10/14/2012 5:43:59 PM

Zagen30

The great nation shall fall when the calamity strikes.

Can I claim that's a clear prediction and be lavished with the attention befitting a wise oracle of my prescient power? Because I'm sure that's a better prediction than half of what the Bible "predicts."

10/14/2012 8:55:12 PM

farpadokly

The Israel thing is a self-fulfilling prophecy. In other words, people read it and decided to fulfil it. Surely that's obvious. If it happened, and then the prophecy was only discovered afterwards, that would be more impressive.
But that's not how it happened. Instead, the idea of a rebirth of Israel was absolutely ingrained in Jewish and Christian thought because that bit of scripture was so well known.
The Bible says absolutely nothing about the other things, and it's scope is a lot less wide than you think. The people who wrote it were probably only concerned with things that were happening in their own time, because even then they thought that Armageddon was imminent.
And, even if it had made prophecies that came true (which it hasn't, except for the self-fulfilling variety) that wouldn't be sufficient reason to accept the rest of its claims.

10/14/2012 9:26:08 PM
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