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#1458258
Doubting Thomas
there has never been a case when one of its prophecies has not come to pass.
Except, you know, when Jesus said that he would return in the lifetimes of the people he was talking to.
10/14/2012 9:57:51 AM
#1458268
Ebon
Add "European sovereignty" to the list of things fundies don't understand.
10/14/2012 10:09:06 AM
#1458270
UHM
"Europe would form a single government;" - Only 2/3 of Europe are "under one gvernment" but even that government doesn't have full control over everything. If you don't believe me, get a book.
"The Word of God also said that China would rise to be a world power" I have read the entire Lutheran Bible - China wasn't mentioned.
10/14/2012 10:13:11 AM
#1458287
Jeff D.
What about the fact that Jesus told his original followers that he would return again in their lifetimes?
10/14/2012 10:47:55 AM
#1458295
cdcdrr
They fail to realize that 87 percent of end-time prophecy is already in an advanced state of fulfillment.
What about the promise of 'all this will come to pass in your lifetime' made to the apostles by Joshua? If we can't even trust the Bible to get the timeframe right, what chance do we have of anything else being accurate?
10/14/2012 11:26:27 AM
#1458298
Anon-e-moose
"The accurate prediction of the rebirth of Israel is Bible prophecy’s most stunning achievement. The Word of God also said that China would rise to be a world power"
Chapter and verse please, Toddy-boy.
And no, vague 'allusions' & 'metaphor; no 'Gog/Magog' bollocks allowed. Only exact, verbatim direct mention of 'China would rise to be a world power', or be proven that your 'God' - as 'inspiring' his ghost writers - isn't 'omniscient' (certainly about future events/geopolitics etc) therefore he's not God, ergo, he doesn't exist. Q.E. and D., bitch.
"Europe would form a single government"
Turkey. A member of NATO. Who want to be a member of the EU. 'European'? Ever watched the Eurovision Song Contest, Toddy-boy? '
Eurovision', as in Europe? Israel takes part in it. Presumably, Egypt will be wanting to join in too;
amirite?!:
Oh no more, please Mr. Wilde, I am bereft of ribs!
"the world would someday have a globally integrated financial market"
Unless Dow Jones, FTSE, Nikkei, Hang Seng, NASDAQ et al agree to trade in, say, the $£ (DollarPound), as per the currency mentioned in the BBC Sci-Fi comedy series "Red Dwarf", S$ (Space Dollars) as per the anime series "Coyote Ragtime Show" (Pirate King Bruce's treasure that Mister & co, and Madame Marciano & her android 'SISTERs' are lookimg for) or Mega-City One Creds in "2000 AD"'s comic series "Judge Dredd",
then that's about as likely as your precious (C)Rapture coming to pass.
"and that there would be a diplomatic struggle (which we’re seeing today) over who should control Jerusalem"
Way before the Arab Spring, and previous Israel-Syria/Lebanon/Egypt/etc conflicts, there's always been the little matter of the Church of the Holy Sepulchre in Jerusalem.
Major fights between Christian clergy have been sparked off by merely one of them sweeping a part of the floor that another member thinks he shouldn't, and encroached into; even accidentally. You're in no position about 'diplomacy', when you can't even agree about doctrine; no wonder there's thousands of
Christian denominations, yet you dare to
think about Israel being 'divided' (Disputed Territories; Gaza Strip & so on)?!
"I trust in the Bible because it has proven itself through prophecy"
Seems then, that the likes of Boutros-Boutros Ghali, and Ban Ki-Moon* have been throwing spanners in your 'prophecy' machinery.
Nope. Not seeing any mention of the UN in the 'prophetic' Bible.
*- If the Bible is 'prophetic',
then chapter and verse, re. UN Secretary General Moon referencing fellow countryman & K-Rapper PSY, and how his musical phenomenon is a cultural force for good.
'Heyyyyyyy Sexy Lady!'
Never mind the Beatles,
"Oppa Gangnam Style" - with nearly 500 million views on YouTube - is bigger than God.
10/14/2012 11:30:20 AM
#1458301
cdcdrr
They fail to realize that 87 percent of end-time prophecy is already in an advanced state of fulfillment.
What about the promise of 'all this will come to pass in your lifetime' made to the apostles by Joshua? If we can't even trust the Bible to get the timeframe right, what chance do we have of anything else being accurate?
10/14/2012 11:31:33 AM
#1458342
rrpostal
It's true that Israel's creation was an obvious forced fulfillment of prophecy. But it's also far late according to the biblical prophetic time frame. That was an obvious failed prophecy despite all the effort. What's the point of giving details to the prophecies if they are simply ignored when it's a failure? Sleep twice daily on your left side, then a week on you right, then realize you're acting really really stupid.
10/14/2012 12:26:45 PM
#1458346
Osiris
The only Biblical prophecy you people have is Israel. Except the reason Israel exists is because people like you read those prophecies and said "The Bible says it so we must make it happen." And the sad part is, that's all you have. One self-fulfilled prophecy on top of a heap of failures.
Meanwhile science is always making predictions and its predictions have a far more successful track record.
10/14/2012 12:41:00 PM
#1458350
His4Life
My understanding is that the prophecy against Tyre specifically applies to Satan, and not to the literal, earthly city. Throughout the Bible, God uses prominent landmarks as metaphors for the kingdom of evil and sin - in the Old Testament, it is often Tyre; in Revelation, for instance, it talks about Babylon, even though Bablylon was no longer a world empire at that time. It was a metaphor for corruption and dereliction of one's duties to God.
10/14/2012 12:54:05 PM
#1458351
His4Life
Louislois, the beach is nice, but the city itself looks like a fucking dump. Who would want to live there?
10/14/2012 12:56:25 PM
#1458356
rrpostal
It's true that Israel's creation was an obvious forced fulfillment of prophecy. But it's also far late according to the biblical prophetic time frame. That was an obvious failed prophecy despite all the effort. What's the point of giving details to the prophecies if they are simply ignored when it's a failure? Sleep twice daily on your left side, then a week on you right, then realize you're acting really really stupid.
10/14/2012 1:31:45 PM
#1458359
breakerslion
Cryptic, over-interpreted fortune cookie ambiguity.
In other words, the seven-headed beast is really YOUR MOTHER AND HER SIX BEST FRIENDS IN THE TRAILER PARK!
Edit: @His4Life - "My understanding is that the prophecy against Tyre specifically applies to Satan, and not to the literal, earthly city."
... And welcome to Excuse-O-Rama! If you can't make it not sound like bullshit, you're doing it wrong!
10/14/2012 1:34:57 PM
#1458362
Joey
Tyre survived. Babylon never concurred Egypt. Damascus was never permanently destroyed. The end never came, despite claims by the NT writers that it was the "last hour".
10/14/2012 2:15:49 PM
#1458365
Old Viking
Based on the record, the prophets would have been hard-pressed to predict a fart at a baked bean festival.
10/14/2012 2:31:38 PM
#1458372
Berny
At one time it was the Soviet Union that was the enemy foretold in Armageddon. Face it, you morons keep reinventing your stories to suit the times. It ain't ever going to happen and you will all die of old age (unless you're unlucky).
10/14/2012 3:16:01 PM
#1458378
myheadhurts
did we read the same bible?
10/14/2012 3:47:06 PM
#1458380
Canuovea
Book of Daniel makes an unfulfilled prophecy. Can't happen, because the fellow it referred to is already dead... and he didn't die where and when he was supposed to.
10/14/2012 3:58:20 PM
#1458396
His4Life
Let's hear it for J-E-S-U-S!
10/14/2012 4:31:28 PM
#1458397
His4Life
Canouvea, what prophecy are you referring to?
10/14/2012 4:34:30 PM
#1458398
His4Life
Berny, I personally do not believe we are living in the end times and I definitely do not believe in the rapture (it's not in the Bible). However, dying of old age is not an "out." Most of us will die of old age before Christ returns, but guess what happens then? We meet him face to face. Are you ready?
10/14/2012 4:37:34 PM
#1458403
checkmate
87 percent of end-time prophecy is already in an advanced state of fulfillment.
87%? Not 86%? or 88%?
Are you sure?
How did you calculate that number? To know the percentage that is fulfilled, you have to know when the enmd is. But the Bible says nobody knows when the end is.
"for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh." (Matthew 25:13)
Acording to your own fairy tale, to say you do know is a sin.
Have fun in hell.
10/14/2012 5:05:04 PM
#1458408
mikek44224
Citation Needed
10/14/2012 5:43:59 PM
#1458435
Zagen30
The great nation shall fall when the calamity strikes.
Can I claim that's a clear prediction and be lavished with the attention befitting a wise oracle of my prescient power? Because I'm sure that's a better prediction than half of what the Bible "predicts."
10/14/2012 8:55:12 PM
#1458446
farpadokly
The Israel thing is a self-fulfilling prophecy. In other words, people read it and decided to fulfil it. Surely that's obvious. If it happened, and then the prophecy was only discovered afterwards, that would be more impressive.
But that's not how it happened. Instead, the idea of a rebirth of Israel was absolutely ingrained in Jewish and Christian thought because that bit of scripture was so well known.
The Bible says absolutely nothing about the other things, and it's scope is a lot less wide than you think. The people who wrote it were probably only concerned with things that were happening in their own time, because even then they thought that Armageddon was imminent.
And, even if it had made prophecies that came true (which it hasn't, except for the self-fulfilling variety) that wouldn't be sufficient reason to accept the rest of its claims.
10/14/2012 9:26:08 PM
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