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After a rousing service in the church's warehouse-like auditorium focusing on the agonies of sin and bliss of salvation, I meet the chief pastor, Valery Reshetinsky. For him, the fight against homosexuality is a matter of "national security" upon which the survival of the nation depends.

"Here's the issue," says Pastor Reshetinsky, a large-boned man with a slight moustache, tells me. "In a real democracy, my freedom and rights are limited by the freedom of someone else."

In his opinion, freedom of speech for sexual minorities is a violation of what he considers his inalienable right not to have to hear something he finds offensive.

"You can't do everything that you want to do, because there are people who have the exact same rights as you do," he insists.

The pastor goes on to accuse a worldwide conspiracy of Masons, New-Agers, postmodernists and financiers of various nationalities, of imposing ideas that are not "characteristic for Ukraine" on the nation's children.

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Supporters of the bill, like Ruslan Kukharchuk, a founder of the local group Love Against Homosexuality, deny the accusation of intolerance. They say they too condemn the violence against homosexuals. What is more, they add, gays are free to do whatever they want "in the privacy of their room".

Kukharchuk, however, has also written about what he calls the "homo-dictatorship" which he claims dominates Western society and persecutes religious, anti-gay proponents like himself. He strives to counter "aggressive" gay propaganda, he says - in other words, public discourse that implies that homosexuality "is normal, is good, is part of democracy".

Valery Reshetinsky & Ruslan Kukharchuk, BBC News 43 Comments [10/15/2012 3:15:24 AM]
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Submitted By: Marcus Aurelius
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louislois

"Love Against Homosexuality"

Sounds like a new marketing campaign for Christian love.

10/15/2012 3:25:35 AM

Tolpuddle Martyr

Funny how they always say that their personal hangups are part of their entire national culture!

10/15/2012 3:30:00 AM

Filin De Blanc

"My rights trump your rights!"

No, that's not how it works.

10/15/2012 3:33:16 AM

Titania

". . . his inalienable right not to have to hear something he finds offensive." As Mae West once said, "People who are easily offended should be offended more often."

10/15/2012 3:49:50 AM

Horus IX

Easily offended? Too bad. Fuck off. And if you don't like what I say, Fuck you!

10/15/2012 4:01:40 AM

LDM

I guess fundies are the same worldwide.

10/15/2012 4:07:53 AM

Leighton Buzzard

Yeah, get back to us when the Ukraine actually is a democracy.

10/15/2012 4:11:44 AM

Meishayuri

Yeah, eat da poop. Idiots.

10/15/2012 4:38:55 AM

FELIX LÆTVS

I find expensive restaurants offensive. I also find old technology offensive. I find Eastern Europe offensive. I also find every language other than English offensive. I find women who are not completely covered offensive, and I find men who are NOT naked offensive. I find religion offensive. I also find guns offensive. I find any sport other than Rugby offensive. I also find reality TV offensive. I find all governments offensive. I find heterosexual kissing offensive. In fact I find any mention of heterosexual relations offensive. That includes parading around a child. I also find sandals offensive. I find makeup offensive. Oh, I also find salads offensive.

Will you help me become less offended? No? Then grow the fuck up.

(BTW, I do not find the vast majority of things listed above offensive.)

10/15/2012 4:47:35 AM

UHM

Folks, if you wanna join the EU, this shit ain't gonna fly.

10/15/2012 5:03:19 AM

gravematter

"In his opinion, freedom of speech for sexual minorities is a violation of what he considers his inalienable right not to have to hear something he finds offensive."
But I find what you just said offensive, and apparently therefore you have just violated my inalienable rights. Please apologise forthwith.

10/15/2012 5:12:47 AM

Doubting Thomas

In his opinion, freedom of speech for sexual minorities is a violation of what he considers his inalienable right not to have to hear something he finds offensive.

I know the Ukraine is relatively new to the whole democracy thing, but someone needs to tell Valery that nobody has the right to not be offended.

10/15/2012 5:20:23 AM

Mister Spak

"In his opinion, freedom of speech for sexual minorities is a violation of what he considers his inalienable right not to have to hear something he finds offensive. "

Your hate is a violation of what I considers my inalienable right not to have to hear something I find offensive.

You can't do everything that you want to do, because there are people who have the exact same rights as you do.

10/15/2012 5:40:50 AM



"In a real democracy, my freedom and rights are limited by the freedom of someone else."

Yeah, that's why we have the Bill of Rights here in the USA which apply equally down to the individual.

10/15/2012 6:34:12 AM

Horsefeathers

"In his opinion, freedom of speech for sexual minorities is a violation of what he considers his inalienable right not to have to hear something he finds offensive."

Nobody has any right to not be offended, despite what every fundy on the planet seems to think.

10/15/2012 6:40:37 AM

John_in_Oz

Commiserations on your fight against homosexuality, Pastor Valery. I guess it's your name that got you into the whole denial thing, right?
Anyway,the good news is that it gets better after you stop fighting against your sexual identity.

10/15/2012 6:42:38 AM

Jeff Weskamp

Actaully, Valery/Valeri is a fairly common masculine name in Russia and the Ukraine. It derives from the Roman name Valerius.

10/15/2012 6:49:22 AM

Swede

Hearing that you want to limit human rights for homosexuals is very offensive to me.

Yes, there are people who have the exact same rights as I do. The right to marry their consenting adult loved one. The right to walk down the street holding hands with that person, without being attacked. The right to apply for adoption, and to have that adoption application assessed based on personality and economy, not sexual orientation.

10/15/2012 6:49:59 AM

JSS

"In his opinion, freedom of speech for sexual minorities is a violation of what he considers his inalienable right not to have to hear something he finds offensive."

Aww. Maybe this will help him feel better...

10/15/2012 7:55:00 AM

The Crimson Ghost

This genius musta gotten into some really potent vodka.

Perhaps he MIGHT be taken a little more seriously if he shaved his "slight mustache".

10/15/2012 8:07:18 AM

Jezebel's Evil Sister

@JSS — Thanks for the link! Truly one of Pat's best rants.

10/15/2012 8:11:36 AM

freako104

You just failed democracy. Hard

10/15/2012 8:13:49 AM

Colgate

"The pastor goes on to accuse a worldwide conspiracy of Masons, New-Agers, postmodernists and financiers of various nationalities, of imposing ideas that are not "characteristic for Ukraine" on the nation's children."

My God! How did he leave out the Jews? (Or is that just a given in Ukraine?)


10/15/2012 8:23:48 AM

Noneofyourbusiness

"In his opinion, freedom of speech for sexual minorities is a violation of what he considers his inalienable right not to have to hear something he finds offensive. "

This is why freedom of speech is enshrined in the U.S. Bill of Rights and freedom not to be offended isn't. We don't, and never will, outlaw offensive speech in this country, including speech like your own and that of other hate groups.

10/15/2012 8:42:00 AM



"gays are free to do whatever they want "in the privacy of their room".

Hmm... not so long ago it would have been "Christians are free to do whatever they want "in the privacy of their room"."

""You can't do everything that you want to do, because there are people who have the exact same rights as you do,""

That's right... and homosexuals have the same right to be true to who they are in public without fuckwits trying to declare them illegal that everyone else does... So fuck off and die in a fire you ignorant death-cultist.

10/15/2012 10:06:00 AM
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