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After a rousing service in the church's warehouse-like auditorium focusing on the agonies of sin and bliss of salvation, I meet the chief pastor, Valery Reshetinsky. For him, the fight against homosexuality is a matter of "national security" upon which the survival of the nation depends.

"Here's the issue," says Pastor Reshetinsky, a large-boned man with a slight moustache, tells me. "In a real democracy, my freedom and rights are limited by the freedom of someone else."

In his opinion, freedom of speech for sexual minorities is a violation of what he considers his inalienable right not to have to hear something he finds offensive.

"You can't do everything that you want to do, because there are people who have the exact same rights as you do," he insists.

The pastor goes on to accuse a worldwide conspiracy of Masons, New-Agers, postmodernists and financiers of various nationalities, of imposing ideas that are not "characteristic for Ukraine" on the nation's children.

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Supporters of the bill, like Ruslan Kukharchuk, a founder of the local group Love Against Homosexuality, deny the accusation of intolerance. They say they too condemn the violence against homosexuals. What is more, they add, gays are free to do whatever they want "in the privacy of their room".

Kukharchuk, however, has also written about what he calls the "homo-dictatorship" which he claims dominates Western society and persecutes religious, anti-gay proponents like himself. He strives to counter "aggressive" gay propaganda, he says - in other words, public discourse that implies that homosexuality "is normal, is good, is part of democracy".

Valery Reshetinsky & Ruslan Kukharchuk, BBC News 43 Comments [10/15/2012 3:15:24 AM]
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Submitted By: Marcus Aurelius
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TheReasonator

"In a real democracy, my freedom and rights are limited by the freedom of someone else."

Yes but if your 'freedom' not to be offended really outweighs homosexuals right to express themselves then your country should pass a national vow of silence just for consistency's sake because there's nothing you can say that you can be 100% sure won't offend somebody.

10/15/2012 10:09:50 AM

SpukiKitty

"Stopping me from being a Gay-bashing bigot is infringing on my religious rights!!!"
PART #5,987,567,517,324.5!

10/15/2012 10:14:10 AM

Mad_Jester

"In his opinion, freedom of speech for sexual minorities is a violation of what he considers his inalienable right not to have to hear something he finds offensive."

Umm, no. You can't claim that right, as no such right exists. (If it did, shitheads like you would be behind bars already.) The fact that the right to free speech exists means that there CANNOT EVER BE a right to "not have to hear something you find offensive". The right to free speech means that you can say whatever you want- however offensive, moronic, racist, sexist, homophobic, ignorant it may be. (Clearly, you've chosen to exercise this right.) And then others have the right to come along and call you out on your idiocy/racism/etc. And here we are.

10/15/2012 10:15:00 AM

nazani14

Zero-sum game - democracy is not one.
In fact, almost nothing except gambling, options and futures trading is zero-sum.

10/15/2012 12:12:54 PM

Papabear

So, you have a right not to hear something you find offensive, but others have to listen to you?

10/15/2012 12:43:28 PM

checkmate

a large-boned man

Why can't people just say "he's fat"?

Why do they have to bullshit around with apologetical nonsense like "large-boned"?

If you want to say it, say it, or shut the fuck up.

10/15/2012 1:56:51 PM

Mr. Bigglesworth

Basically...

"You're persecuting me by not letting me persecute others."

10/15/2012 1:59:50 PM

Snarker

Since when was Ukraine Democratic?

10/15/2012 2:07:36 PM

Old Viking

When did Reshintinsky and Kukharchuk give up wrestling?

10/15/2012 2:19:54 PM

Canadia

I find your brand of idiocy offensive, that means you can't say that drivel in public right? Or would a limitation like that offend you?

10/15/2012 2:31:13 PM

checkmate

"In a real democracy, my freedom and rights are limited by the freedom of someone else."

So freedom is a finite amount, a cake that has to be shared around in slices? If you have more, then I have less?

Uhh, no. Freedom is an infinite source, the more it's distributed, the more there is.

10/15/2012 3:02:03 PM

Derpin Dots

"freedom of speech for sexual minorities is a violation of what he considers his inalienable right not to have to hear something he finds offensive."
And its my inalienable right to tell you to shut the fuck up. Aww did I hurt your feelings. Go suck a dick you might feel better.

10/15/2012 3:28:02 PM

Kevin Klawitter

This reminds me of an article I read by the guy who wrote "Better of Without Them" where he tried to explain the disparate view of human rights in the American north vs the American south.

According to him, Southerners view having "freedom" and "rights" as their being able to take away or compromise the freedom and rights of others. This is why conservatives claim to be pro-small government while also supporting strict government regulations over marriage, birth control, being anti-union, etc.

10/16/2012 1:10:37 AM

Meeeh

Being offended is a personal state of mind and you should not, when offended, include me or anyone else; we are not offended and don't give a flying fuck if you are!

10/16/2012 9:03:43 AM

Ebon

In his opinion, freedom of speech for sexual minorities is a violation of what he considers his inalienable right not to have to hear something he finds offensive.

No, fuck off. There is no such right.

10/16/2012 9:13:46 AM



In his opinion, freedom of speech for sexual minorities is a violation of what he considers his inalienable right not to have to hear something he finds offensive.

There is no "inalienable right" not to have to hear something offensive. In fact, in the US, you have an inalienable right to be almost as offensive as you like, as long as you don't get physical or engage in actual slander. Look at the Phelpses and the people who post on StormFront.

10/16/2012 2:23:34 PM



If your theory were taken seriously by every single human being on Earth, anarchy would reign, believe me.

10/28/2012 12:06:27 PM



Being bothered by their very existence is not a right.

10/29/2012 4:13:33 AM
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