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I wonder how many unplanned pregnancies of minors occurred before the advent of "the pill" and Planned Parenthood? The word "few" comes to mind but, then, people respected their parents, parents instructed their kids about the birds and the bees, (because schools were only obligated to educate them; not sexualize and encourage lying to parents and, passing out condoms, telling them, "Go ahead, it's fun!") the Bible was still used for instruction in public schools and, things like Columbine didn't happen and, drugs, and guns on a school campus were virtually nonexistent.

Remove moral instruction and, teach kids that they are just animals with better brains than those in the wild and, well, they begin to act like those wild animals because, it doesn't matter any more what they do.

David Madison, OneNewsNow 59 Comments [10/17/2012 3:13:21 AM]
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Tempus

I wonder how many unplanned pregnancies of minors occurred before the advent of "the pill" and Planned Parenthood?

Wealthy and well-to-do parents sent their daughters "abroad" for a little while, until their little problem was taken care of.

Poor girls were simply kept at home, and gave the babies up for adoption once they were born or dropped out of school and became full-time mothers at whatever age they happened to be. Shotgun marriages were really, really common in some places.

In any event, it wasn't something that polite society cared to discuss or acknowledge. Neither did they discuss the fact that spousal and child abuse wasn't at all uncommon, since that wasn't seen as anyone else's business except dear ol' dad's, and who was a beaten wife or child going to complain TO? The cops? Their pastor or priest?

Your golden age of the American family does not exist, and never did, except in endless reruns of mindless 50s and 60s sitcoms.

10/17/2012 3:21:17 AM

Kulgur

"The word "few" comes to mind,"

Have your mind checked out by a professional, it doesn't seem to be functioning properly.

10/17/2012 3:32:38 AM

AJ

In the past the social stigma of underage pregnancy was far worse than it even is today. This doesn't mean they didn't happen - just that people would keep it secret, leading to things such as DIY abortions, or families pretending that the child is that of the grandmother. BTW, the US rate for teenage pregnancies hit an all-time LOW in 2010.

There were at least 20 school shootings reported in the USA in the 1950s. Whilst there was a spike in the 80s and 90s, school shootings today don't seem much more common than 60 years ago.

10/17/2012 3:34:43 AM



Wild animals aren't evil. :I

Ever hear of the crow that raised a kitten?

10/17/2012 3:42:30 AM



Unfortunately, what came to your mind is complete bullshit

http://www.faqs.org/childhood/So-Th/Teen-Pregnancy.html
Using adolescent birth rates to measure teen pregnancy, adolescent parenthood has been a fairly common experience throughout American history. (It is nearly impossible to gain an accurate measure of teen pregnancy rates over time, because not all pregnancies result in births.) The most recent American teen birth rate of approximately 51.1 births per 1,000 adolescent females is consistent with historical trends and matches the 1920 figure. Nonetheless, since the 1970s, American politicians, policy makers, and social critics have condemned the perceived "epidemic of teenage pregnancy." This label reveals that critics have little knowledge about the incidence of teen pregnancy and parenthood in America's past.

From colonial times through the late nineteenth century, the vast majority of Americans had chosen to marry and have children by their early to mid-twenties. Marriage and parenthood was a rational choice for people living in a society dependent on family production. Race, ethnicity, class, and region could influence individual circumstances, with rural areas experiencing the lowest age at marriage. Few people worried about teen pregnancy as long as the expecting mother married before giving birth. There was strong social pressure to marry before becoming a parent, but the high number of babies born less than nine months after marriage ceremonies shows that many young couples taking their marriage vows were already expecting a child. State codes outlining minimum-age-at-marriage laws followed English common law that permitted girls as young as twelve to marry without parental consent.

10/17/2012 3:50:16 AM

Swede

The words "thousands each year" comes to my mind. The girls went "to visit grandma" for half a year or so, and the kid was then adopted off or sent to an orphanage. Young people were just as interested in s-e-x before 1921 (when Margareth Sanger started what would become Planned Parenthood) as they are now.
Ever hear about shotgun marriages? Lots of blushing brides had something growing inside...

Sex ed is a part of education, stupid. Sex ed is not meant to sexualize the kids, but to inform them of " the birds and the bees" and what is happening to their bodies, how to not become pregnant and how to protect yourself and your partner against STDs. Moral instruction hasn't been removed, stupid, it has just turned from religious focus on sin, to secual focus on not harming others, or yourself.

10/17/2012 4:02:12 AM

Mr. Bigglesworth

Teen pregnancies were highest during the 1950's just before the pill came along.

http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/tgr/05/1/gr050107.html

School shootings happened back "in the good old days" when the Bible was used in school.

http://www.k12academics.com/school-shootings/history-school-shootings-united-states

You might want to do actual research before making a claim.

10/17/2012 4:02:54 AM

ScrappyB

Not all parents instructed their kids about the birds and the bees. That was the problem. Fuck, my parents never even mentioned sex to me. Since I grew up in the pre-Internet age when TV and movies were a lot more tame, I didn't even know what it was until we got sex ed in health class.

Things like Columbine didn't happen? You mean like the worst attack on a school in American history? Where a churchgoing Christian went crazy, tried to blow up an entire school and murdered 44 people (including 38 kids) in the process?

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=103186662

http://www.amazon.com/Bath-Massacre-Americas-School-Bombing/dp/0472033468

10/17/2012 4:32:59 AM

LAchlan

Newsflash: Everyone acts like animals, because there's no other way TO act.

10/17/2012 4:33:02 AM

Doubting Thomas

Actually, teen pregnancy rates were a lot higher in the 1950's than they are now. It's just that pregnant teens were shipped off to "live with an aunt" while they were pregnant and forced to give the baby up for adoption. Just because things like that were kept hush hush doesn't mean they didn't happen.

10/17/2012 5:32:33 AM

Mister Spak

"Remove moral instruction and, teach kids that they are just animals with better brains than those in the wild"

But at least they have better brains. You don't.

10/17/2012 5:41:12 AM

John

they begin to act like those wild animals because, it doesn't matter any more what they do.

If they use birth control, it usually doesn't. That's why girls in Europe have a fraction of the teen pregnancy rates of those in the US: they use more birth control*. Depending on parental respect and wagging your finger at pre-marital sex doesn't work.

PS, the Bible hasn't been used for public school instruction since your great-grandmother's day, and doesn't have all that much to say about pre-marital sex anyway.

* e.g., the teen pregnancy rate in the US is about four times that of France, and nine times that of the Netherlands.

10/17/2012 5:47:21 AM

UHM

"Remove moral instruction and, teach kids that they are just animals with better brains than those in the wild and, well, they begin to act like those wild animals because, it doesn't matter any more what they do."
Well, I guess we can all agree that knowledge of evolution is far more wide spread in Europe that the United States, so what would follow from your argument is that the countries most accepting of evolution should have sky high unwanted and unplanned pregnancies, let's take teen pregnancy and data from the Freedom House from 2000-2009:

Oh, look at that. You'd think that especially Scandinavia should be stock full of unwanted babies. They aren't.

"things like Columbine didn't happen and, drugs, and guns on a school campus were virtually nonexistent."
No: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_shooting#1800s

10/17/2012 5:52:15 AM

Reynardine

I am old enough to remember "the good old days". "Bible instruction" was basically a short reading and The Lord's Prayer for five minutes in home room, lots of people wound up abruptly married by sixteen, and Florence Crittenden homes for unwed mothers were full.

10/17/2012 6:00:11 AM

farpadokly

A very rosy view of the past indeed. Others have argued that the past was much more violent than the present.

10/17/2012 6:00:12 AM

Justanotheratheist

You mean teenagers have only started fucking like rabbits in recent years?

Yeah, right.

P.S It IS fun. You morons should try "fun" sometime, you might even grow to like it.

10/17/2012 6:03:16 AM

NearlySane

The word 'few' comes to mind to you because you know no history and are a moron.

10/17/2012 6:03:59 AM



I wonder...

Speculation with base-less bullshit to follow.

10/17/2012 6:09:31 AM

dionysus

And the Beaver and Wally Cleaver got into some wacky misadventures! Luckily Ward straightened them out.

10/17/2012 6:58:42 AM

The Crimson Ghost

LOTS of unplanned babies were around before the pill & PP. I know that you simply HATE to be reminded of the fact that abstinence education doesn't work but all one has to do is look at the statistics.

Is this guy really that dense?


10/17/2012 6:59:38 AM

Atheissimo

Pure, unadulterated bollocks.

America has been having school shootings with tedious regularity since a few years after its inception. All that's changed is that they have been getting slightly more numerous due to population change and deadlier due to advances in technology.

Kids had just as much sex and got pregnant a lot more, but the stigma was such that they 'went to live with their aunt' for nine months and never saw the baby, or grew up alongside suspiciously younger 'sisters'.

Removing the Bible doesn't mean removing morals (on which Christianity does not hold the patent). It means not restricting morals to the superstitious goat-herder ones that get gay kids beaten up and driven to suicide, and pregnant teens dying of complications from an unsafe back-alley abortion

10/17/2012 7:00:13 AM

Kuno

Why do you think the pill was developed?

10/17/2012 7:01:05 AM

Horsefeathers

"I wonder how many unplanned pregnancies of minors occurred before the advent of "the pill" and Planned Parenthood? The word "few" comes to mind but, then, people respected their parents, parents instructed their kids about the birds and the bees, (because schools were only obligated to educate them; not sexualize and encourage lying to parents and, passing out condoms, telling them, 'Go ahead, it's fun!')"

And if the little bitch still went out and got knocked up you could just send her off to the convent and tell the neighbors that she's staying with her grandmother for the next nine months. Gotta keep up that wholesome Leave it to Beaver family image after all.

"things like Columbine didn't happen, and, drugs, and guns on a school campus were virtually nonexistent. "

Wikipedia has a list of school shootings dating back to the 1800s. Look it up.

If you think drugs on school campuses were "virtually nonexistent" then you either weren't around in the 1960s or you were from a really conservative hick town to begin with.

"Remove moral instruction and, teach kids that they are just animals with better brains than those in the wild and, well, they begin to act like those wild animals because, it doesn't matter any more what they do."

Don't you people ever come up with new arguments?

10/17/2012 7:01:54 AM

Hakar

@LAchlan:


10/17/2012 7:07:38 AM

Arctic Knight

Teen birthrates are currently at their lowest. For the past 70 years, teen pregnancy rates were at their highest in the 1950s. SOURCE - CDC

School shootings are not a recent phenomenon. The first recorded school shooting in what is now the United States was on July 26, 1764 near what is now Greencastle, Pennsylvania. The decade of the 1950s saw 19 school shootings in the U.S. while the decade of the 2000s only saw 10. SOURCE - Wikipedia

It appears as if things were a lot less moral in the "good ole days" than they are now.

10/17/2012 7:15:48 AM
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