'Figuring things out for yourself
is practically the only freedom anyone really has nowadays. Use that freedom.
-Jean Rasczak (Michael Ironside), "Starship Troopers"
Speaking as an Atheist
Brit, our state
schools emphasised thinking for yourself above all else.
'Many people would sooner die
than think; in fact, they do so.'
'Thought is subversive and revolutionary, destructive and terrible; thought is merciless to privilege, established institutions, and comfortable habit. Thought looks into the pit of hell and is not afraid.
Thought is great and swift and free, the light of the world, and the chief glory of man.'
10/22/2012 12:20:42 PM
That is a very well written Poe.
10/22/2012 1:31:13 PM
"don’t have to focus on one established set of laws and facts"
conjured out of thin air.
10/22/2012 1:31:41 PM
Shiny mirror. Also you say they choose to discover which means they would think logically
10/22/2012 1:47:57 PM
Umm, those Bible answers, Jake. They're not really good answers. Know what I mean?
10/22/2012 1:54:37 PM
Yup, that sounds about right. Many aspects of science can appear highly illogical, confusing and distorted. And it's AWESOME.
10/22/2012 5:15:20 PM
You say that like it's a bad thing.
10/22/2012 5:55:43 PM
Searching for answers is FUN.
10/22/2012 6:50:53 PM
Yeah, unlike Christians or Muslims that only have one sect, right?
10/22/2012 7:06:08 PM
But what if the bible is wrong?
10/22/2012 7:06:15 PM
There was a very important test taking strategy that has served me well. If you don't know the answer to a question, be honest and skip it and come back to it later.
Apparently Christians like Jake here learned if you don't know the answer just make it up and cling to it like a drowning man to a piece of flotsam. Can you imagine the hubris of a student sitting smuggly at his answer of 1,000,000 to the question (x-10)+3=9 while calling into question the intelligence of all the people who are trying to honestly solve for x. The Bible IS filled with answers, but they're all the wrong answers. Scientists are actually trying to figure out the real answer. And you don't get any credit for wrong answers.
10/22/2012 7:46:55 PM
So many different churches....with so many different answers. So much disagreement amongst the denominations. That whole "answers in the bable" thing doesnt appear to be doing all too well.
10/22/2012 8:18:13 PM
I had to figure out how to make tomato soup today. What chapter and verse would that be?
10/22/2012 8:24:36 PM
Why go to the trouble of thinking when the talking donkey will answer all your questions?
10/22/2012 9:29:09 PM
Picture the scene: A man is rushed into a hospital with a rutured aortic aneurysm. A junior doctor has never had to deal with such a dire emergency before.
"Quick" he says "open the book of answers and tell me what to do."
After some frantic reading, the surgical team drop to their knees with their eyes closed and start chanting the holy words of healing.
"If only we had another book" mutters the doctor as he fills out the death certificate.
10/22/2012 10:06:29 PM
Raised by Horses
Not to Godwin or anything (I know we're probably as tired of using the following word as we are of hearing it) but I thought I might point out a nice little op-ed by Umberto Eco which touches upon just this topic:
Eternal Fascism: Fourteen Ways of Looking at a Blackshirt
By Umberto Eco
"1. The first feature of Ur-Fascism is the cult of tradition.
Traditionalism is of course much older than fascism. Not only was it typical of counterrevolutionary Catholic thought after the French revolution, but is was born in the late Hellenistic era, as a reaction to classical Greek rationalism. In the Mediterranean basin, people of different religions (most of the faiths indulgently accepted by the Roman pantheon) started dreaming of a revelation received at the dawn of human history. This revelation, according to the traditionalist mystique, had remained for a long time concealed under the veil of forgotten languages -- in Egyptian hieroglyphs, in the Celtic runes, in the scrolls of the little-known religions of Asia.
This new culture had to be syncretistic. Syncretism is not only, as the dictionary says, "the combination of different forms of belief or practice;" such a combination must tolerate contradictions. Each of the original messages contains a sliver of wisdom, and although they seem to say different or incompatible things, they all are nevertheless alluding, allegorically, to the same primeval truth.
As a consequence, there can be no advancement of learning. Truth already has been spelled out once and for all, and we can only keep interpreting its obscure message.
If you browse in the shelves that, in American bookstores, are labeled New Age, you can find there even Saint Augustine, who, as far as I know, was not a fascist. But combining Saint Augustine and Stonehenge -- that is a symptom of Ur-Fascism."
10/23/2012 5:00:44 AM
I prefer to be free to think anything. Imagination is a beautiful thing that allows artists to thrive. I believe Bosch, despite clearly drawing from a Christian background, was quite the 'free thinker' of his time and age. It is illogical, confusing, distorted. Limiting critical thinking and imagination alike is wrong.
"Faith without reason is no faith at all."-My Catholic Religious Teachers. I know there are those who are skeptical and believers and there are those who are skeptical and are not. I know they tend to trend towards the latter camp, but not 100%. I find my own skeptism, free thinking, and imagination has me at a cross roads. Where I've setup shop and share stories with passerby, unwilling to make a commitment to any viewpoint. Oddly, I'm happy here. Flexibility and tolerance are easy here.
10/23/2012 12:43:22 PM
I call poe.
"...one book that claims to be all truth."
The word "claims" sticks out like a sore thumb. Fundies don't claim their book to be "all truth", they absolutely 100% know it is. *eye-roll*
10/24/2012 9:32:00 AM
So if the "...answers to questions that are answered right in the bible."
I have to wonder if perhaps folks were asking the "wrong" questions.
Talking donkeys Jake.
10/25/2012 9:22:13 AM
This is possibly the worst argument against atheism that I have ever seen.
10/25/2012 5:26:31 PM
Talking snakes and four-legged insects being hard to find, I decided that "searching the world" for answers is a much better option. It's also a great deal more fun.
10/27/2012 1:20:42 AM
In which part of the Bible are there instructions for making internet?
10/28/2012 10:58:39 AM
Yes, answers like that insects have four legs and rabbits chew cud. I mean, you can pick up an insect and count that it is not a four-leggeed "beast of the ground", but a six-legged one, but the Bible includes them with four-legged ones, so it must be true!
11/1/2012 10:10:27 AM