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Check out Jill Stanek's page to learn the truth about abortion, in the windy city in particular, Obamao's hometown.

In essence what you are saying is that it's alright for unborn babies to die during abortions, but it's not okay for their mothers to die attempting to abort them. How is the life of a mother any more valuable than the life of her unborn child? The womb is created to be the safest, nurturing haven for the developing child. When pregnant mothers go against their innate nature to protect the life of their precious baby, and instead have them ripped from their safe nest, it is the most pitiful act of all.Hmmm, wonder why we have such a rape culture? Could it have anything at all to do with the sleazy billion dollar pornography industry, and how we have allowed our entire society to be all about sex, sex and more sex??? Free love abounds due to wise, caring progressives pushing, pushing, pushing for it. To progressives it's all about free love, and nothing about Jesus. That's why we're living in such rot!


Ginny Bain Allen, Slacktivist 46 Comments [10/23/2012 3:26:32 AM]
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Leighton Buzzard

Jill Stanek is a) a nut and b) a proven liar, so, no.

10/23/2012 4:00:30 AM

Filin De Blanc

"In essence what you are saying is that it's alright for unborn babies to die during abortions, but it's not okay for their mothers to die attempting to abort them."

How outrageous that we value the lives of people who've actually been born!

10/23/2012 4:18:56 AM

UHM

It would have been simplier to say "I hate sex."

10/23/2012 4:34:22 AM



OH NO YOU DIDN'T JUST FUCKING BLAME RAPE CULTURE ON PROGRESSIVES.

10/23/2012 4:35:54 AM

KittyKaboom

So you're saying that because liberals & progressives value the life of the mother (and care about her ability to care for the children she already has vs. the embryo or fetus), we are somehow responsible for rape?



I'd just like to mention in passing that if conservatives would stop trying to block access to education regarding human development and sexuality (not to mention contraceptives), the number of abortions would drop.

You can't oppose actions that would lead to fewer abortions then bitch that abortions still happen. Can't have it both ways, sweetie.

10/23/2012 4:49:34 AM

Doubting Thomas

but it's not okay for their mothers to die attempting to abort them.

You seem disappointed.

wonder why we have such a rape culture?

Women having abortions does not mean more rapes are going to occur. Talk about non-sequiturs.

Could it have anything at all to do with the sleazy billion dollar pornography industry

No. Porn has been around for thousands of years in some form or another. You really need to face the fact that people enjoy looking at depictions of sex. Because (and this may shock you) people enjoy having sex. Nothing you do will ever change this.

To progressives it's all about free love, and nothing about Jesus.

Sounds good to me. I'd much rather have people enjoying consequence-free sex than having bible thumpers in charge of everything. And in case you didn't realize, you admit that Jesus =/= progress.

10/23/2012 4:56:08 AM

Paler_Face

Maybe an actual life is more important than a potential one.

10/23/2012 5:07:23 AM



"Obamao"? Seriously? I hope that's just a typo.

10/23/2012 5:31:51 AM

Mister Spak

"In essence what you are saying is that it's alright for unborn babies to die during abortions, but it's not okay for their mothers to die attempting to abort them. "

In essence what you are saying is that life begins at conception and ends at birth.

10/23/2012 5:33:21 AM

Dr.Shrinker

"Hmmm, wonder why we have such a rape culture?"

- A large part of it is the deeply engrained cultural notions that women are property; a notion your bible promotes rather heavily.


"To progressives it's all about free love, and nothing about Jesus."

- If Jesus loves the little children , all the little children of the world, why do so many pregnancies end in miscarriage? Is it that the babies can't wait to get out of their nice, safe wombs and start praising Jesus?

10/23/2012 5:35:12 AM

Velox

Surely the womb would be made from a Titanium alloy and lined with Kevlar if it was CREATED as a safe haven for a fetus.

As for everything else you said...DIAF.

10/23/2012 5:51:04 AM

Joe Mama

the truth about abortion

Why is it that the "truth" about abortion is always filled with lies?

Free love abounds due to wise, caring progressives pushing, pushing, pushing for it.

Thank goodness for that. It's far better than the alternative Puritannical ideals pushed by Christian fundies.

10/23/2012 5:54:08 AM

The Crimson Ghost

So the womb is like a bomb shelter now?

You're an idiot, plain & simple. Go back to watching your crappy reality tv - discussions like this are too complicated for you.

10/23/2012 5:55:20 AM

Mr. Bigglesworth


How is the life of a mother any more valuable than the life of her unborn child?

Embryos are not people; fetuses are in the process of becoming people, and finally women are actual people, that's why. Why is this so hard to understand?

wonder why we have such a rape culture?

Non-sequitur.

Could it have anything at all to do with the sleazy billion dollar pornography industry, and how we have allowed our entire society to be all about sex, sex and more sex???

Another non-sequitur. What is it with fundies and logical fallacies? Porn doesn't lead to rape, nor does sex. Rape is about having power over another person.

To progressives it's all about free love

No, it's about having control over one's own reproduction. That's all it is.

and nothing about Jesus.

Exactly!

10/23/2012 6:35:47 AM

Frostythesnowman

'Free love abounds due to wise, caring progressives pushing, pushing, pushing for it.'

Yes, it's free from the type of 'love' which is mired in guilt, superstition and fear of the one for whom we profess love, condemning us to eternal punishment. And you peope hate that don't you.

There is a lot more to my life than sex, sex and more sex, but it is important. Ginny, your god gave you a clitoris for a reason. Try using it and you might lighten up a bit.

10/23/2012 6:53:03 AM

Mattiedef

Insane Troll Logic!

10/23/2012 6:58:20 AM

dionysus

Hmmm, wonder why we have such a rape culture?

I'm guessing because we have a culture based on the Bible and the Bible is full of rape.

Could it have anything at all to do with the sleazy billion dollar pornography industry, and how we have allowed our entire society to be all about sex, sex and more sex???

While correlation does not imply causation, studies have shown that places with more access to pornography have less sex crime. Again, correlation does not imply causation but if your point was true the correlation would be expected to go the other way.

How is the life of a mother any more valuable than the life of her unborn child?

Because the mother is a fully formed human being with a fully developed mind who has friends and family that love her and depend on her. And if a mother dies before the fetus is sufficiently developed the fetus will die anyway and you'll have killed the mother for nothing.

10/23/2012 7:02:14 AM

Fundies Make Me Sick

"How is the life of a mother any more valuable than the life of her unborn child?"

Maybe because the mother is already out of the womb and has invested a lot in her own life while the unborn baby isn't considered a person until it leaves the woman's body so the mother's life takes precedence over a life form that doesn't have any legal rights.

10/23/2012 7:13:13 AM

Noneofyourbusiness

If the mother dies, the embryo/fetus/baby will also die, Genius.

10/23/2012 8:03:11 AM

Mystik Spiral

"Free love abounds due to wise, caring progressives pushing, pushing, pushing for it."

Yes, yes, we know... love is a terrible thing.

Also, rape has nothing to do with love and little to do with sex, moron.

10/23/2012 8:35:07 AM

Swede

Pregnant mothers' innate nature is to protect the life that is already here, future life is uncertain. They need to be sure that they can take care of future life, both physically, mentally and economically.

An embryo/fetus of 6-8 weeks (8-10 weeks of pregnancy), when most abortions happen, is not a precious baby, it's a lump of cells, barely distinguishable from a chicken fetus.

The sleazy pornography industry is mostly aimed at men and young boys. Abortions are all performed on girls and women. How did rape end up in the middle of that? I'd think that the rape rate is fairly constant throughout history. Free love is the very opposite of rape, and if you push for it, it's hardly free, is it?

Chapter and verse where Jesus says anything against abortions, please. If you can find any verse in the whole Bible against abortions, please let us know. Nobody else has, so far.

Maybe you're living in such rot, but I'm not. Over here people are able to decide when to have kids, through free abortions up to week 18 and easily available and affordable contraceptions. Consequently, almost all kids are wanted, expected and cared for.

10/23/2012 9:04:37 AM

Papabear

"In essence what you are saying is that it's alright for unborn babies to die during abortions, but it's not okay for their mothers to die attempting to abort them."

Almost, but not quite. Blastocysts, and embryos are not babies. Other than that, I agree with your opening sentence.

"To progressives it's all about free love, and nothing about Jesus."

Almost, but not quite. It's all about FREEDOM of love, but I DO agree that it's "nothing about Jesus."

10/23/2012 9:13:59 AM

Canuovea

Uh, Free Love doesn't equate to Rape Culture. At all.

Arguably pornography can be involved. Depending on what type of pornography and if the participants are victims of human trafficking. Even then, though, porn would be more a product of than a cause of rape culture.

10/23/2012 9:21:13 AM

Mister Spak

Swede:

"The sleazy pornography industry is mostly aimed at men and young boys. Abortions are all performed on girls and women. How did rape end up in the middle of that?"

This is because American fundies are in a rage that porn is allowed to exist, and in a rage that abortion is allowed to exist, and in their fundie mind, that makes these two things similar.
Next, anti-choice propaganda in America periodically pushes the message 'how did these minor girls get pregnant in the first place? It had to be statutory rape, but the baby killers are keeping it secret, not reporting it to the police, they are protecting rapists(now the fundie mind conflates consenting statutory rape with forced rape of an adult)' and this outrage is now mixed in with porn and abortion.

Its the same process that makes muslims atheists, because they both hate christians.

10/23/2012 9:25:17 AM

Osiris

In essence what you are saying is that it's alright for unborn babies to die during abortions, but it's not okay for their mothers to die attempting to abort them. How is the life of a mother any more valuable than the life of her unborn child?
Here's some.
1) The mother is an actual person with thoughts, feeling, motivations, dreams, loved-ones, and the capacity to suffer. I call this the compassionate reason.
2) If the mother dies the fetus dies too. If the fetus dies and the mother lives she can try again. Killing one life to save another is a perfectly valid rationale in many other situations (hunting, self-defense, war) which you have no problem with. So why now do your idiot blinders flick up making you think that it's better to do nothing and loose two lives?

But all of this is pointless. The fact that you can't see how a mother's life is more valuable than a fetus' non-life, even for entirely pragmatic reasons of making future babies, demonstrates that you actually don't know why life is sacred and why it has value.

10/23/2012 10:04:04 AM
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