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This SB 1172, passed in California, signed by Governor Jerry Brown, bans all counseling that would reduce or eliminate same-sex attractions and especially they ban this for minor who are people under the age of eighteen. So that means that parents, if you have a child who has come to you and said they have same-sex attractions and they think they are gay, and many kids with all the propaganda that is very one-sided are believing that the were born that way if they feel that way, but it’s the blessed parent who at least gets a chance to counsel them differently. Hopefully your response will be one that is, ‘I love you no matter what but this is wrong,’ so the two things at the same time, ‘but I will help you to find the counseling you need.’ California is basically banning heterosexuality. So for these children, if a child has been persuaded that they are born this way, that they have same-sex attractions, and you as a parent want to take them to a counselor, no licensed, professional counselor in the state of California is now going to be able—unless they break the law. Perhaps some of them will have a conscience on this and think differently and think that maybe their responsibility to their client on this as in other areas of counseling and that the client might want to have a choice in the matter as they do in other areas of counseling, they’re not supposed to counsel anything but ‘oh no, homosexuality, you must embrace that.’ It’s so anti-choice, it’s so rigid, it’s so fascist, this is just the same old stuff you get from the supposedly tolerant folks, tolerance is actually intolerance, inclusivity is actually exclusivity.

Linda Harvey, Right Wing Watch 58 Comments [10/25/2012 2:43:31 PM]
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"California is basically banning heterosexuality."


10/25/2012 3:04:15 PM


"bans all counseling that would reduce or eliminate same-sex attractions and especially they ban this for minor who are people under the age of eighteen"

Your lack of reading comprehension is showing. The law ONLY bans this for minors, NOT for adults.

Evidence suggests that anti-gay "counseling" efforts are harmful to mental health and have led to suicide. This is why it is banned FOR MINORS - because they are incapable of making informed decisions, and parents would force it on their children who are unable to defend themselves.

You aren't allowed to force your kids to smoke, but you can. You aren't allowed to force kids to try to be straight, but you can. The situation with anti-gay "therapy" is the same as with smoking - yet you don't call smoking laws "fascist."

Go look up all the kids who killed themselves because of pressure to conform to heterosexuality and then tell me we're better off continuing to allow this behavior. Do that. I dare you.

10/25/2012 3:06:08 PM

Le Proon

That's an Olympic Gold in the logic leap there.

10/25/2012 3:06:48 PM

Filin De Blanc

This woman just gets more and more hysterical.

10/25/2012 3:12:05 PM

New Face of Rove

Linda, you like to think of yourself as a tolerant person. So would you tolerate me telling straight kids that no matter how much they they think they are straight, that they are really just gay?

I wonder.

10/25/2012 3:20:57 PM

Mr. Bigglesworth

It's your side that spreads propaganda. It's your side that that is anti-choice and rigid. You are the fascists, You are the intolerant exclusivists towards everyone who isn't just like you.

California is basically banning heterosexuality

This is just moronic.

10/25/2012 4:20:48 PM

Felix Wilde

1. Please learn the difference between propaganda and scientific data. I've read plenty of both, and it would seem so have you, and they're hardly deceptively similar.
2. Yes, as you say yourself, the parent still can seek brainwashingcounseling from elsewhere, and they can't be stopped from coercingsupporting their child into heterosexuality.
3. ROFL @ "banning hetersexuality". By that insane fundie troll logic, work has been banned because we don't allow child slavery. Or, sex has been banned because we don't allow child molestation. But then, you are pretty much trying to ban sex.
4. I don't think there were exactly reputable, licensed counselors in California lining up around the block to offer ex-gay counseling. It's kinda the sole domain of fundies and closeted puritans.
5. How would you react if someone founded a school to deprogram children of their Christian beliefs, I wonder? If someone offered to take kids away for a few weeks, give them counseling, and bring them back once they've given up on their delusional beliefs, would you be defending that institution's right to do so? Somehow I doubt it.
6. Please look up the word "fascist". You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means. You authoritarian, nationalist Christians are the ones a pair of black patent leather gloves away from being Il Duce's minions.
7. Kindly shut your mouth; your opinions are more obscene than the kinkiest gay porn.

10/25/2012 4:39:50 PM


It's funny that you folks want "tolerance" when you constantly whine about how it's destroying society and ruining your lives.

Here's a tip. It is not hypocritical for people who want tolerance to be intolerant of your own intolerance. It's the same principle that makes killing someone okay if they're pointing a loaded gun at your head and threatening to pull the trigger. Even though killing another human being is morally reprehensible outside of the realm of self-defense, most people—even your ilk— understand why an exception in this case is okay, but jackasses like you seem to be too dimwitted and inebriated on hate to connect the self-preservation exception to tolerance.

10/25/2012 4:40:32 PM


'California is basically banning heterosexuality' is so stupid I'm going to ignore it after this.

That said, if homosexuality was a choice... yet it harms no one, why would it be right to force people to change it? If race was a choice, would it okay to be racist? No.

10/25/2012 5:00:03 PM


"Waaah! I want tolerance!"

You? You want to hate everyone who isn't the same race, religion, ethnicity, or nationality as you.

"Waaah! I want tolerance just for myself!"

10/25/2012 5:41:12 PM


What it bans, fuckwit, is the practice of trying to treat homosexuality as a mental illness. I know it's hard to think with your tiny little mind filled with bullshit Bible verses calling it an abomination (it's funny how only male homosexuality is an abomination and not female homosexuality).
Anyway, everything you said is basically the Christian position whenever gays talk about equal rights, so you can shut the fuck up right now.

10/25/2012 6:02:01 PM


You present a compelling case for christianity being classified as a mental illness requiring counseling.

People's sexuality, including that of your own children, is none of your business.

10/25/2012 6:53:17 PM



What with these weirdos and their deranged delusion that "LGBT RIGHTS = EVERYONE MUST BE GAY OR ELSE"?


See? Even Syd thinks it's insane!

10/25/2012 6:55:49 PM


It’s so anti-choice, it’s so rigid, it’s so fascist

Couldn't have described Christian homophobia any better, Linda.

10/25/2012 8:46:36 PM


my child has to be straight or it is anti-choice

umm, what?

10/25/2012 9:26:58 PM


It's a pity you can't take a child to a councilor anymore to seek help with a rather hefty issue, but if it wasn't for harmful 'therapy' or brainwashing that insists that there's something wrong with the child for being different that, despite these 'professional's' claims can't be changed, these laws wouldn't be necessary. Moralistic doctors and Pray the Gay Away camps aren't based on any real social psychology but a belief system that condemns gay people. This is why we can't have nice things people.

10/25/2012 10:39:39 PM


I know that the bill specifically bans gay conversion therapy on minors. I wonder however if the ban extends to general counseling of minors regarding homosexuality.

Some teenagers, may be confused about their sexuality they may be gay, straight or bisexual but peer pressure and social perceptions might be confusing them, including the possibility that a straight teenager might be confused into thinking he may be gay. Ones teenage years are a really difficult and confusing time for everyone especially with regards to ones own awakening sexuality. Would this bill ban a counselor from helping a teenager to find clarity?

I am not saying the counselor should tell the child to be straight or convince they are straight, but help them to sort their feelings out and figure out properly where they stand with regards to their sexuality. I believe this could be highly beneficial for a number of teenagers, especially bisexual and gay teens.

10/26/2012 12:21:43 AM


California is basically banning heterosexuality

I stopped reading there. Mainly because I was laughing too hard to continue.

Linda, provided you live in the Golden State, you're now legally required to be a lesbian.

10/26/2012 12:30:39 AM


"minor who are people under the age of eighteen" If you have to explain to your readership what a minor is, you might just want to throw away your keyboard and pick up some puppets.

"tolerance is actually intolerance, inclusivity is actually exclusivity."
War is Peace
Ignorance is Strength
Freedom is Slavery

10/26/2012 12:55:49 AM

lol at Harvey co-opting the term "anti-choice".

10/26/2012 1:18:10 AM


That's not how this works.

10/26/2012 1:48:59 AM


I will now use your post as an example to explain doublespeak to people.

10/26/2012 3:42:24 AM


Prohibition is even worse than the Jesusland camps.

10/26/2012 4:05:18 AM

"bans all counseling that has been shown to completely fail to reduce or eliminate same-sex attractions and especially they ban this for minor who are people under the age of eighteen because all it has ever been shown to do is increase the risk of suicide for the child/teen because trying to force someone to do something that not only doesn't work but will make them a lot more likely to commit suicide is not just immoral but should really be classed as child abuse."

I fixed that for you...

Seriously, this person is complaining that people can't force their kids to do something that has no effect other than to put the children at higher risk of suicide... how in the living fuck is this considered even remotely sane???

10/26/2012 4:07:23 AM


Your child's sexuality is not YOUR choice dear.

10/26/2012 4:21:08 AM

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