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I am curious how evolutionism explains the Sun. There is not enough energy possible to sustain the Sun for one day let alone billions of years.
[11/1/2012 5:42:50 AM]
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No. Just no. I refuse to answer this question. F minus. 0 stars. 0/10. Failing grade. Just no.
11/1/2012 2:45:11 PM
I'm curious how fundies spend so much time thinking about how and why evolution is wrong, without attaining the most basic understanding of what the ToE is even about.
11/1/2012 3:42:00 PM
1. Can you even tell the different disciplines of science apart?
If not, please return to second grade and try the rest of your life again, then I will ask you #2.
11/1/2012 3:50:56 PM
Nuclear fusion. Not explained by "evolutionism" but by general knowledge cause I had the Children's Big Book of Science or something. Here's another idea: Google "What keeps the sun burning".
11/1/2012 5:21:25 PM
I am curious how evolutionism explains the Sun.
There is not enough energy possible to sustain the Sun for one day let alone billions of years.
Easy, nuclear fusion.
11/1/2012 5:56:26 PM
Isn't it obvious? We just harness the crazy in religious fundamentalism. That's why we have global warming today: the more crazy fundies get, the hotter the sun burns.
11/1/2012 6:35:47 PM
The sun is explained by physics. Gravitational collapse of a gas cloud of primarily hydrogen , hats the gas and eventually fusion occurs. Fusion to helium gives a fusion reaction that provides lots of power in the form of heat.
11/1/2012 7:21:20 PM
The fusion provides a few positrons, some neutrinos, and (at various points) excited deuterium and helium nuclei.
The positrons annihilate with electrons to produce gamma ray photons; the excited nuclei decay back to ground state releasing a few more photons; and the neutrinos escape.
The real picture is a bit more complicated due to side-reactions involving carbon, nitrogen, and oxygen, but in the Sun those produce <2% of the helium and of the energy release. See:
The gamma rays are absorbed by and scatter off of other nuclei and electrons inside the Sun's core, until they are reduced in energy to the normal thermal background. In the process, their energy goes into heating the plasma.
That energy gets transferred by radiation into the outer layers of the Sun, very slowly. The outer layers are convective and carry energy to the surface by upwelling until they radiate to space. Then they cool and become denser, sinking back down to be heated again. We see the upmost part of the convection pattern as solar granulation - effectively, the outer layers of the Sun are boiling. The hottest and most-recently upwelled material at the center of each granule is brighter than the material at the edges, which has cooled and started to sink.
And that is why the Sun shines.
11/1/2012 8:42:25 PM
This isn't even wrong. And I hate to sound like Brendon Rizzo (I think that's how he spells his first name?) but I am noticing that the likelihood of a user being a complete fucktard rises dramatically if the user has the word "America" in their screenname.
11/1/2012 9:33:33 PM
You do know that sun isn't a small ball of burning coal?
11/1/2012 11:16:39 PM
To be so stupid that you don't know you are stupid is truly pathetic.
11/1/2012 11:51:30 PM
You dont seem to understand JUST how big, and JUST how far away the sun actually is.
11/2/2012 7:32:12 AM
11/2/2012 10:27:19 AM
I think I know why he believes this.
Flat Earthers believe that the sun is only a few miles across, and never gets more than 100 miles above the ground during the day.
Surely, if a super-hot ball of fire were only a few miles in diameter, it would run out of gas within a day!
11/2/2012 12:22:04 PM
"And I hate to sound like Brendon Rizzo (I think that's how he spells his first name?) but I am noticing that the likelihood of a user being a complete fucktard rises dramatically if the user has the word "America" in their screenname."
That's nowhere close to what he was saying. Brendan was convinced that 99.999% of Americans were functionally retarded, that the fundies quoted on this site represent every American, and that there was absolutely no hope whatsoever for the country. Most of us non-misanthropic Americans would say that there are a number of gullible idiots in our country, but they are not the vast majority, and there is hope for the US.
On the other hand, I would agree with the notion that there's a high coefficient of correlation between fundieism and putting "America" in one's screen name. Fundies tend to have a very jingoistic view of the world and believe that America is the greatest thing that's ever happened to humanity (primarily because it was founded on Biblical principles, of course), therefore they must proclaim their nationality every opportunity they get so everyone knows how great they are just for being born here. Once you get away from extreme conservatism, though, you tend to see much less ardent patriotism, more acknowledgment of the US' failings, and thus a vastly decreased need to scream one's nationality at everyone one interacts with on the internet.
11/2/2012 1:19:59 PM
Astrophysics explains the sun, retard. You are some kind of stupid. That gave me a headache.
11/2/2012 6:40:28 PM
how in the hell dose it function?!
11/2/2012 10:30:47 PM
"I'm curious how intelligent people explain the sun. No, seriously, I'm not smart enough to understand how the sun works, please explain it to me."
11/2/2012 11:13:54 PM
There is not enough energy?. Man, how many physics classes you missed?
11/4/2012 11:13:49 AM
Look, firstly the sun, being not living, has nothing to do with evolution. Secondly, the sun powers ITSELF--it's called nuclear fusion, done with the element Hydrogen. The combination of two hydrogen atoms emits massive amounts of power, and the sun is comprised of a massive amount of hydrogen. You learn all of this in sophomore Chem, honestly.
11/6/2012 8:00:12 AM
"I am curious how evolutionism explains the Sun."
I am curious how you think that EVOLUTION (not "evolutionism") has anything to do with the sun. Evolution has only to do with biology.
"There is not enough energy possible to sustain the Sun for one day let alone billions of years."
And yet scientists have described with great detail exactly how the sun is sustained by nuclear fusion for billions of years. And how there are billions upon billions of other stars in the galaxy and universe beyond doing exactly the same thing.
11/6/2012 8:41:18 AM
"I am curious how evolutionism explains the Sun."
...beats the fuck out of me, too.
Especially how Freddie Starr was (allegedly) involved in the whole vile
malarkey as well (along with Gary Glitter).
Can you say 'News of the World', Rupert Murdoch, & co...?! I know you can. Just keep pushing it, editorially. Especially the
related allegations of that innocent Tory politician by all & sundry in the tabloid press in the resulting scattergun witchhunt.
Before long, the
UK newspapers still in existence will be the
-leaning "Guardian", and the neutral "Independent". An industry-annihilating 'Privacy Law', a la France? It'll be of
own making, tabloids. In the former's case,
they never let a 'good story' get in the way of the
Want to be 'fun', The Sun, Daily Star et al, just publish
. Newspapers should be purely about
else; so what if they're 'boring' by your standards?! Brain up (instead of 'dumbing down' for the inferior subhuman 0-IQ 'Sun Readers' [/Jasper Carrott] out there), or GTFO.
11/24/2012 1:01:58 PM
The problem with the the word 'evolutionism' (and all it's variants) stems from the science crowd's misunderstanding of how the creationsists define the word.
The issue is of gradualism vrs catastrophism. Creationists believe in a massive single creation about 6,000 years ago, in a sudden act of creation lasting one week.
Science opts for a gradual emergence of detail, starting with the big bang and, as time went by, the gradual progression of the evolving universe. Or, as creationists say, the universe 'evolved'. Thus, in their definition of the word, 'evolution' is no longer tied to a biological theory, but has expanded to contain any form of emergence, irregardless of what field of science they happened to be talking about.
Know your enemy!
10/19/2013 4:59:48 PM
The sun recharges its batteries at night, when it's switched off.
10/20/2013 12:49:21 AM
Are you also curious how economy explains the Pacific Ocean?
Wait, do you think the Sun dies every night?
11/12/2014 5:36:37 AM