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(I understand everything you said above until this. Do we need to discuss the 'theory' of gravity again?)


Gravity is a theory. For all I know, there is no force between objects. It's all enforced by a Creator for example. For all I know, material objects don't exist, and only souls exists, and there is a designer giving rise to our experience of the material world.

The whole way the world works, atoms, etc, perhaps none of the laws are intrinsic to existence. They simply are being imposed by a higher power.

If gravity was a fact, I would suspect the philosophical argument of whether we know a physical world exists would be debunked.

MysticKnight, Atheist Forums 63 Comments [11/1/2012 5:44:56 AM]
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#1464153
Darwin

Stupid x 1,000

11/1/2012 5:48:44 AM
#1464161
Justanotheratheist

"For all I know..."

Nah. Too easy.

11/1/2012 5:55:14 AM
#1464165
Mister Spak

"Gravity is a theory. For all I know, there is no force between objects."

It's true. His noodly appendages are pushing everything down.

11/1/2012 6:03:10 AM
#1464168
breakerslion

Truth is finite. Bullshit is infinite. We're doomed.

11/1/2012 6:05:44 AM
#1464169
Titania

So, your god creates a massive delusion in which gravity doesn't exist and inanimate objects and even the physical body are illusions while also creating the illusion of suffering such as rape, starvation, disease, murder and so on. That makes you an unwilling player in one sick son of a bitch's drama. I'll take the reality of all of that and know there is something I can do to fix it.

11/1/2012 6:06:53 AM
#1464173
LAchlan

Test it out. jump off a bridge.

11/1/2012 6:11:45 AM
#1464182
Dr. Razark

You are correct. The entire world could be a mass delusion.

However, we have no evidence that this is the case. We experience a world that seems real to us, and have no reason to believe it is not real. The logical course of action to take, then, is to act as though the world is real. Provide some evidence that the world isn't real, and then we can consider it.

11/1/2012 6:37:22 AM
#1464193
dionysus

Right, and for all we know the whole world is just my dream and everyone else is just a construct of my mind and when I "die" I actually just wake up and realize that I'm just a brain in a jar. Or we could all be in the Matrix. However, given that anything beyond what we can sense or detect is pure conjecture and that observing the universe using our senses and measurements seems to work I say we keep doing that rather than pursuing some God or brain in a vat that is unprovable and really adds nothing to our understanding of the universe.

11/1/2012 6:56:51 AM
#1464196
Frostythesnowman

I'm perfectly happy to believe that my world is real, and just as happy to believe that yours isn't.

May I suggest that you find out what a 'theory' is before you dip your toe too deeply into the worlds of philosophy or particle physics?

11/1/2012 7:01:19 AM
#1464199
Robespierre

If God were a solipsist, would He believe in Himself? How could He know?

11/1/2012 7:08:53 AM
#1464200
TheReasonator

@ Titania,

Something you can do to fix it,
which would be what?

11/1/2012 7:09:35 AM
#1464201
anevilmeme

Poe. No member of our species could be that fucking stupid and willfully ignorant......could they?

11/1/2012 7:12:09 AM
#1464202
KittyKaboom


11/1/2012 7:19:13 AM
#1464206
Musiphonix

Solipsism of the year award?

11/1/2012 7:29:41 AM
#1464212
Rabbit of Caerbannog


11/1/2012 7:38:39 AM
#1464214
Papabear

OK, so your point is that you're a moron?

11/1/2012 7:43:05 AM
#1464215
Anon-e-moose

"Gravity is a theory"

So are Germs. Therefore you won't mind in the slightest if we inject you with Ebola, whilst this very heavy anvil is dropped on your head from a great height, will you eh, MysticShite?

After all, mere 'Theories' can't kill you.

11/1/2012 7:43:21 AM
#1464219
SpukiKitty

The moment I read the very first line (the question in parentheses) I KNEW THIS QUOTE WAS GONNA BE A WORLD-CLASS DOOZY!!!

Please be a Poe! Oh LORDY!

11/1/2012 7:47:20 AM
#1464220
checkmate

Gravity is a theory. For all I know, there is no force between objects.

The funny part is that MysticKnight is actually on the cutting edge of astrophysics, but for all the wrong reasons. Diametrically wrong reasons. He'd never accept the real reasons.

The whole way the world works, atoms, etc, perhaps none of the laws are intrinsic to existence. They simply are being imposed by a higher power.

Ok, but why are they then thus debunked and not fact? If they are "being imposed by a higher power", aren't they then just as real for us? What is reality? How far does "reality" reach beyond independent existence and imposed presence?

Do the tides in the ocean exist? They are mearly imposed by the power of the moon and have no independent existence, so are they real or not?

Si tacuisses, philosophus mansisses.

11/1/2012 7:47:22 AM
#1464222
Paler_Face

Top-down authoritarion solipsism? Really?

*facepalm*



I need a friggin' drink.

11/1/2012 7:49:05 AM
#1464233
UHM

Theory: something to which all evidence points to and can be considered a proven fact.
Hypothesis: something to which some collected points point to, but not yet proven.
^- You meant this.


And now, from the input and output the "philosophical argument of whether we know a physical world exists" can't be debunked or proven at all, as all evidence is input and output of an intelligent being, that which we consider evidence could be faked at all times. All that said though, there is, pragmatically speaking, no reason to assume such a vitual system of faked input and output, as we have pretty much seen that the question whether it is fake or not, does not matter if input and output still effect us. Or shorter: doesn't fuckin' matter anyway.

11/1/2012 8:08:15 AM
#1464244
Osiris

How do you know any of this?

@anevilmeme : Ha. You have no idea the depths of stupid that post-modern navel gazing can create.

11/1/2012 8:39:44 AM
#1464245
Pilotess

Gravity is getting stronger, my weight goes up every time I step on a scale

11/1/2012 8:40:07 AM
#1464251
Mister Spak

Maybe your scale is getting weaker.

11/1/2012 8:57:49 AM
#1464256
Akasuna

Then by the same logic, since god or the creator is a human concept, we can say vice-versa. Seriously, don't use philosophy as rebuttal against science; it won't work very well, especially if don't know bum-fuck about either one.

11/1/2012 9:19:07 AM
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