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#1464413
Radaghast
Translation: I'm pro-life cepts when I'm not.
11/2/2012 3:43:43 AM
#1464419
Filin De Blanc
So you actually don't care about the fetus at all, just about removing the woman's ability to make her own decisions.
11/2/2012 4:13:48 AM
#1464420
Draken
This, it goes without saying, also holds for the rapist. Because god forbid the woman might have any say in the matter.
11/2/2012 4:20:57 AM
#1464421
Leighton Buzzard
What happens if the father doesn't show up?
11/2/2012 4:23:02 AM
#1464422
Reynardine
Cause *the woman* to be stillborn? What a Freudian slip!
11/2/2012 4:23:26 AM
#1464423
Reynardine
That passage, also, does not even apply to an induced abortion. It has to do with a woman being accidentally injured when men brawl.
11/2/2012 4:26:12 AM
#1464429
Doubting Thomas
Yet most of us recognize that killing in a just war, the death penalty, and killing animals for food or what ever reason is not covered by that passage.
Unfortunately, that passage doesn't say "Thou shalt not kill, except when..." Funny how you are the one who gets to determine what is valid killing and what isn't.
The father has the most natural care for his progeny
Yeah right. That's why there are so many deadbeat dads out there.
"Abortion" should be legal only when the baby's father accepts it
So wait, abortion is totally wrong in all instances because it goes against God's commandment about killing, but it's perfectly OK if the father decides it is? Let me guess, you just don't want women having control over their own bodies, do you?
11/2/2012 4:54:28 AM
#1464433
Dr.Shrinker
ForTheBible is the general Ambrose Burnside in the war against women.
11/2/2012 5:03:13 AM
#1464437
Horsefeathers
"The radical pro-life side says The Bible says "thou shalt not kill" so it means abortion should always be illegal."
Leviticus 17:11 my Bible-ignorant friend.
For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul.
See that bold part? Even your Wholly Babble says that a tiny clump of cells isn't alive. At best you could Biblically claim it was "alive" around week 7 when, according to Wikipedia, "rudimentary blood moves through primitive vessels connecting to the yolk sac and chorionic membranes." However, true red blood cells don't show up until weeks 10 - 12 of the pregnancy.
"Yet most of us recognize that killing in a just war, the death penalty, and killing animals for food or what ever reason is not covered by that passage."
Mostly because the Commandment doesn't read "thou shalt not kill". The original untranslated meaning, as I understand it, is closer to "thou shalt not murder". Of course you wouldn't know that.
"I am pro-life but I also think that the pro-life position should be enforced the way it is in the Bible. In the Bible it says that if you cause a woman to be stillborn (i.e. perform an abortion) you pay a fine to the baby's father."
Exodus 21:22-25 (which I assume is what you're getting at but don't actually know your Bible well enough to say so) says that if a woman "with child" is caused to give birth prematurely but no harm comes to the child, then a fine is imposed which is set by the father and the judges. If the child dies, then the penalty is the typical "eye for an eye" Bible brutality.
Since a woman cannot give birth to a clump of cells in the first place, I'm not sure why you think this is relevant.
11/2/2012 5:08:53 AM
#1464441
whatever
"In the Bible it says that if you cause a woman to be stillborn (i.e. perform an abortion) you pay a fine to the baby's father."
Well, I can foresee a very ugly financial racket developing here...
11/2/2012 5:16:22 AM
#1464455
UHM
You really hate women, don't you?
11/2/2012 5:28:48 AM
#1464477
OhJohnNo
Misogyny mixed with fundamentalism. Shaken not stirred.
11/2/2012 5:59:55 AM
#1464489
What the fuck?!
11/2/2012 6:38:09 AM
#1464498
Mister Spak
"We need to get back to the Koran, because Islam is the real religion.
But props to this fundie for knowing what the bible really says.
11/2/2012 7:01:48 AM
#1464511
Arctic Knight
"...abortion should always be illegal."
""Abortion" should be legal only when the baby's father accepts it...."
I don't even have words for how self contradictory this person is.
11/2/2012 7:36:30 AM
#1464513
dionysus
Somehow this is worse than the people who want no abortions, no exceptions. At least one could argue that they have their heart in the right place and are simply starting with a bad assumption (that personhood begins at conception). This guy doesn't even have that. He is blatantly trying to take power away from women and handing that power over to their fathers.
11/2/2012 7:37:15 AM
#1464524
Thinking Allowed
Then the christian god hit a home run with this verse.
(King James Version)
Psalm 137:9
Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones.
11/2/2012 8:16:42 AM
#1464529
Mayhem
By this logic, I could make a living being a serial rapist, acquiring fines from the women I victimize when they get the abortions I don't give permission for.
11/2/2012 8:24:18 AM
#1464534
Stonespiral
My uterus, my decision. Other than that, go fuck yourself.
11/2/2012 8:37:07 AM
#1464547
Cliff notes version: only my opinion matters on life and death and that said I think bacon's awesome, violence solves problems so long as I think the odds are stacked in my favor, and it's the daddy that should decide what to do with a baby instead of fancy doctors 'n' uppity womenfolk.
11/2/2012 9:19:46 AM
#1464578
Sasha
Depending on the size of the fine, a lot of men might be willing to pay it for an abortion rather than pay child support for 18 years.
11/2/2012 10:29:25 AM
#1464594
JohnTheAtheist
Fucking crazy bullshit.
11/2/2012 11:06:27 AM
#1464602
Meeeh
Pro-life?
Not by a long shot!
Pro-life would include such things as support for paid maternity leave, tax payer funded day care centres, anti 2nd amendment, pacifist, anti-death penalty and so forth and none of these clowns support any such thing.
No, these people are not pro-life, they are pro-fetus. Once the baby has been born, they couldn't care less if it died!
11/2/2012 11:28:47 AM
#1464614
dp
this guy's a genius.
11/2/2012 11:47:29 AM
#1464622
Papabear
"The father has the most natural care for his progeny..."
Yeah, that's why absent fathers aren't a huge world-wide problem.
P.S. Am I the one who gets to decide which wars are just?
11/2/2012 11:58:41 AM
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