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[on a blog post of a pro-lifer who turned pro-choice]
Being evil is easier than being principled, so your story of courage is really the opposite. I’ll agree that birth control should be supported by people who are pro-life, but unfortunately the only people who subscribe to any morality in this country are strict Christians, some of whom mistakenly want to legislate morality. But why isn’t there a pro-choice faction that supports BC, but wants to limit abortion? Because they have taken their pro-choicisim to such a level that they are in fact anti-life. Now being pro-BC doesn’t mean you have to be pro-free-BC, that is stepping things up to pro-socialism. You think you were being “duped” before, but you still are being duped, just to an atheistic anti-human doctrine.

Wilson, Love, Joy, Feminism 28 Comments [11/4/2012 4:38:09 AM]
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Atheissimo

And dismissing something as 'evil' is way easier than actually thinking about another's point of view

11/4/2012 4:55:31 AM

Leighton Buzzard

Nope, none of that made any sense. Try again, in English this time.

11/4/2012 4:56:57 AM

pete

1. America's prison population is overwhelmingly composed of Christians. Many of them are "strict" Christians. It seems that people who Believe they have a "get out of Hell free" card have a hard time following mere human laws.

2. The single best way to limit the number of abortions is to make birth control available. A great step would be to put a free condom dispenser in every public bathroom, especially in schools, in the country.

3. The argument is, regrettably, not for free birth control. The cost would be covered by insurance premiums.

11/4/2012 5:32:18 AM

Doubting Thomas

I actually do support effective birth control over abortion. I'm sure most pro-choice people do. However, it's the anti-abortion crowd who are both anti-abortion and anti-birth control (like the Catholic church), even though more birth control will reduce the rate of abortions.

11/4/2012 7:13:58 AM

Dr.Shrinker

"Being evil is easier than being principled,..."

- And it is easier to write the people who disagree with you off as "evil" than it is to try and understand their position Wilson.

11/4/2012 7:24:24 AM

Swede

The word pro-choice implies that there are multiple choices. Women should also be free to choose to keep the pregnancy going. Most pro-choice people do support easily available birth controls, and extensive education to children who are about to enter puberty.

Atheists are mostly pro-human, and most live by the golden rule and the "doctrine" that what harms other people is wrong, what does not harm other people is OK.

11/4/2012 7:42:23 AM

Alencon

I've never meet any pro-choice individual that wasn't also pro-birth control.

11/4/2012 8:04:38 AM

Mattiedef

This comment confounds me. I'm pretty pro-choice in terms of voting for lots of reasons the blogger listed in their blog (I'm a regular reader on Patheos, helps calm down the religion hate to listen to the far more reasonable voices on there... usually.)

This is comment is just so many non-sequitars I'm just like 'what are you saying?"

11/4/2012 9:05:53 AM

UHM

"But why isn’t there a pro-choice faction that supports BC, but wants to limit abortion?" We all do, you knucklehead.

But it seems you are generally pro-idiocy so, nevermind, you are simply evil so I don't have to argue with you.

11/4/2012 10:20:25 AM

Mr. Bigglesworth

But why isn’t there a pro-choice faction that supports BC, but wants to limit abortion? Because they have taken their pro-choicisim to such a level that they are in fact anti-life. Now being pro-BC doesn’t mean you have to be pro-free-BC, that is stepping things up to pro-socialism.

Then socialism is pro-life

Free birth control = fewer pregnancies.
Fewer pregnancies = fewer abortions.

Talk about shooting down your own argument.

11/4/2012 10:46:35 AM

He Who Doubts

What the fuck does any of this mean?

11/4/2012 11:21:54 AM

Anon

>>But why isn’t there a pro-choice faction that supports BC, but wants to limit abortion? <<

There is. It is called everyone who is pro-choice. Libby Anne, writer of Love, Joy, Feminism, is advocating exactly that.

Abortion is limited not by making it illegal, which solves nothing and puts thousands of bodies on the deck, but by making it unnecessary. Contraception is the easiest way to do that, followed by better social support for low-income parents.

Wilson apparently did not understand what Libby Anne wrote.

11/4/2012 11:24:40 AM

Papabear

It always seemed easier NOT to murder my neighbors than to kill them... or are you saying murdering my neighbors isn't evil?

11/4/2012 11:30:55 AM

werewolf

Coherence, Wilson, is a state devotedly to be wished. Think, then speak.

11/4/2012 12:22:32 PM

Joey

Somehow this doesn't seem that fundie... at least he admits christians shouldn't legislate morality...

11/4/2012 1:06:57 PM

Anon

@Joey:

What part of "the only people who subscribe to any morality in this country are strict Christians" isn't fundie?

11/4/2012 1:40:08 PM

Old Viking

A textbook example of mucky language. Can anyone tell me what point he's trying to make?


11/4/2012 2:35:59 PM

Gloria

Recognising that you have been wrong, and changing your mind, is hard. And taking an thoughtful, moderate position on an issue that tends to have people resorting to slogans and personal attacks before the discussion has even started, is hard in another, less personal, but more frustrating way. And the lady you are calling "evil" (without, I notice, any attempt to address her points) has clearly done both of those hard things. As far as I'm concerned, that makes her significantly more "courageous" than you, whose demonstration of "principle" on the quoted page has involved very little willingness to risk or sacrifice for your positions (e.g. you're willing to allow birth control, but not to help pay for it.) You have also shown little inclination to question your own actions, so as to hold yourself to a higher standard. those are the things I associate with principled people. what you are showing is not so much principle, as dogmatism. You have taken a simplistic set of principles as given, and are now shouting them blindly at anyone who will listen, without taking so much as a second to actually think about what you're saying. If that's not taking the easy way out, I don't know what is.

11/4/2012 5:13:26 PM



The pro-choice people want to limit abortion because it's disgusting so they like birth control.

This is anti-human, however, when they want to abort disabled people because they're also disgusting.

11/4/2012 8:05:53 PM

Isa

"But why isn’t there a pro-choice faction that supports BC, but wants to limit abortion?"

There is, and I like to call it "ALL OF US."

11/4/2012 9:21:18 PM




Nobody is pro abortion, any more than anybody is pro root canal.

And the fundie claim that women use abortion as birth control is a misogynistic myth. It's painful and costly. No one wants to go through that.

But by limiting abortion, you mean you want to take away wlomen's rights to control their own bodies in favor of clumps of cells that aren't people. So no, other than making BC readily available to all women, we don't want to leagally limit abortion so you can decide for someone else what she should have to do with her body. We want to make it so that women have the choice to get the protection they need so the abortions aren't necessary in the first place.

11/4/2012 10:46:31 PM

michael3ov

I read this blog post a couple days ago. It's a very good story of a person questioning their long held beliefs.

Unfortunately there were a lot of people making comments who are incapable of critical thought.

11/5/2012 4:34:07 AM

Mister Spak

You are not only being duped, you're a dope.

11/5/2012 5:58:27 AM

Ebon

1) DIAF.
2) You have no idea what socialism is.
3) You have no idea what a coherent argument is either. Go away and think about what you did.

11/5/2012 8:28:45 AM

Pilotess

birth should be controlled by those who are actually getting pregnant!
(also, abortion does have little to do with socialism, as a matter of fact, the more social a country is, the lower the abortion rate sinks)

11/6/2012 9:14:39 AM
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