Lynda, you have no clue how the world works, don't you?
11/8/2012 6:24:08 AM
Now isn't that cute.
11/8/2012 6:28:59 AM
I'm black and I agree with some of what she said here. Israel IS a racist nation and giving preference to Jews is indeed a racist, apartheid policy. The turbulence in South Africa is shameful but a little different - keep in mind that blacks there lived under oppressive circumstances for several generations. It will take a while for society there to even itself back out, as it has (for the most part) in the US, where blacks were also discriminated against.
11/8/2012 6:53:12 AM
Looks like someone jumped on the DARVO train.
11/8/2012 7:09:10 AM
What are BRICs? Another stupid ethnicist term?
Also, why do these bozos blame Jews for everything? Most Jews I've seen are pretty darn white (though many other colors are out there).
Bigotry is for losers. There's only one race - HOMO SAPIENS SAPIENS! Many ethnicities and sub-ethnicities by ONE RACE, ONE PEOPLE, ONE SPECIES.
....Hence my use of the word "ethnicist" instead of "racist". There are no races so the meaning of "ethnic" should be expanded a bit.
11/8/2012 7:23:35 AM
"That couldn’t possibly be racism, that is just ethnic solidarity."
Fundie/racist quote of the year!
11/8/2012 9:10:22 AM
Unless you're going on about a different BRIC, Russia it one of the BRIC countries. There are plenty of white people there already.
You are terrible at arguments.
And yeah DARVO.
11/8/2012 9:40:25 AM
11/8/2012 10:03:10 AM
"Israel is a Jewish state – that isn’t racism"
Technically no since Judaism is a religion and culture. Not a race. Just like to have an Islamic state isn't racist either since Islam is not a race. A person of any race can be Jewish or a Muslim, and there are Jews and Muslims of all races. HOWEVER, it borders on or flat out IS a theocracy to have a religious state. The Israeli government also DOES sometimes treat Jewishness as if it were an ethnicity or race by the way they and their supporters treat non-Jewish Palestinians and Arabs in their territory (some of it illegally acquired). There is evidence of widespread undercurrents of racism from Ashkenazi (white) Jews towards non-white Jews (such as Sephardi, Mizrahi and "Falasha" Jews) in Israel. There is also a good undercurrent of racism against ethnic Jews and blacks in most if not all Middle Eastern and North African countries. Many black and mixed black/Berber people, such as the Haratin, are still slaves in several North African countries.
"It is open season on Whites in South Africa"
While there have been about 5,000 white South African farmers killed by roving gangs over the past couple of decades and the South African govt hasn't done enough to stop or solve it, it's hardly "open season" on white people in South Africa. The number of hate crimes against Muslims, Arabs, blacks and Hispanics in Western countries has spiked since the early 2000s and Neo-Nazi/Skinhead membership is at its highest point since the 1920s-1940. That doesn't mean it's "open season" on non-white people in the West.
"just try immigrating to one of the BRICs nations"
1) Why didn't he capitalize the "S" in BRICS? Was that a slight towards South Africa?
2) Uh, a lot of white people do. In fact, Russia is over 93% white. XD South Africa is ~10% white. Can you name any Western nations other than the US that is 10% or more black?
11/8/2012 11:00:22 AM
"Of course, they discriminate in favour of their own races and nationalities."
You do know a lot of those countries discriminate against other non-white people who aren't of the dominant ethnicity/"race" in that country? There is racism against blacks in India, China, Russia (a European country, that white supremacists claim are so "nigger-loving") and Brazil; racism against Asians in Brazil and Russia; and racism against blacks and non-Han Chinese Asians in China. There is still racism against minorities in Western Europe as well. No country is without racial discrimination, both institutionalized and among the public. The trick is rising ABOVE racism and legally squashing it in when possible.
Just as things have gotten better in Europe things have gotten better in most of the BRICS nations (Russia and to a lesser degree India are the only 2 where race relations are tangibly moving backwards on a large scale).
"Only Whites can be racist (of course)"
According to whom? White nationalists keep saying that anti-racists say this, but what anti-racists are they talking about? Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton said this (not exactly models of anti-racism) but they even said they define "racism" as "institutional racism". They fully acknowledged nonwhite people can be racially bigoted on a personal/individual level. Most anti-racists aren't exactly followers of Jesse and Al. XD
11/8/2012 11:08:35 AM
"to bestow entitlements on those who are hostile to the rights of White Americans to organise in their own interests"
Define what you mean by white Americans "organizing in their own interests"? If they did that they wouldn't vote Republican since Republicans only care for white people who are rich (and a few token rich minorities). If by that you mean pushing for a return to White Supremacy and Jim Crow Laws, that is not in the interest of white Americans either. I can list many great essays and books (written by white authors, if you want) detailing how White Supremacy and Jim Crow was almost as harmful, ultimately, to the white majority as it was to minorities. For one thing it's economically counterproductive - what good is there in turning down money from nonwhite customers?
You do know, as a white woman, most of these bigoted white men who advocate a return to "traditional America" also mean repealing most of your rights as a woman?..........They'd have black people sharecropping and you barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen.
"Rascism is for judeoXtians and libtard goys"
So being an anti-racist is for non-Judeo-Christians and conservatard goys? XD
11/8/2012 11:09:42 AM
@SpukiKitty - BRICS is a economic classification of 5 of the world's up-and-coming developing countries who have the potential to be economic superpowers by or before the end of the 21st century. Brazil, Russia, India, China and now South Africa (originally it was just the first 4 listed but South Africa was added in 2010 when the UN designated it a "newly industrialized country" and S. Africa had greater economic growth than economists expected it to):
It's a classification similar to the N-11 (Next Eleven) classification, which is another economist category for developing countries that are seen as having the potential to become economically powerful enough to join the G-8 in the future:
I'm an economist, so I know this junk. XD
11/8/2012 11:15:41 AM
Watch your terminology
. Religious discrimination can be as bad as racism, but it is not the same thing.
And comparing the social problems in Israel and the Palestinian territories to apartheid is controversial at best. Arab Israelis have the same rights as other Israeli citizens and can and do run for and hold offices in the Israeli government, although there is some social discrimination and concerns of partiality in the justice system (the latter is a concern almost everywhere).
The problems in Israel are centered around the definition of where / who is Israel / Israeli and where / who is Palestine / Palestinian.
I refer you to Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_and_the_apartheid_analogy
11/8/2012 12:09:06 PM
@Anon - While on the books Arab Israelis have the same rights as Jewish Israelis many internal and external groups describe their situation as still one of "second-class citizenhood". Similar to how American minorities legally have the same rights as whites but in practice there is still a massive amount of de facto discrimination and sometimes de jure discrimination that is written in such a way that it doesn't explicitly target the intended groups (like Voter ID laws which disproportionately target minorities).
11/8/2012 2:18:18 PM
I don't think the voter ID laws are racist, per se. More likely, it's a cynical, underhanded attempt to keep potential democrats from voting.
11/9/2012 4:04:52 AM
@Watermelon Rat & Vox
11/9/2012 4:16:12 AM
@#1467148 - I agree it's a cynical attempt to keep potential Democrats from voting and it's not meant to just target minorities alone (it targets a whole lot of white people too), but I think the Republicans are fully aware it disproportionately targets minorities and WANT it that way. Both because they know most minorities vote Democrat and as red meat for their racist base who don't want minorities voting. In some states Republicans specifically tried to pass Voter ID laws only allowing CERTAIN photo IDs, such as state-issued driver's licenses, to be used. They know full well that minorities are disproportionately less likely to have a driver's license. Particularly in states where a lot of minorities are too poor to drive or live in the city where they don't need a car due to public transportation. They refused to accept bus pass photo IDs or college student IDs, only driver's licenses or permits.
The Republicans knew what they were doing and their followers do too because their followers are too stupid to refrain from bragging gleefully on conservative websites and forums about minorities (who they invariably assume are all illegal immigrants or "lazy welfare leeches who won't work") being given a hard time voting. I know the Republican higher-ups are trying to discriminate against white Democrats too, but if a lot/the majority of the GOP rank-and-file is racist it shouldn't be surprising that some of the leadership is truly personally racist too.
11/9/2012 10:02:44 AM
11/9/2012 12:51:55 PM
But social religious discrimination isn't the same thing as explicit government-mandated racial discrimination.
Hence why calling the social problems in Israel apartheid is a dubious contention. That isn't to minimize them, but simply to recognize that the social structure isn't broken in the same way.
11/9/2012 8:14:51 PM
Are you saying it's not the least bit hypocritical for Israel to have this sort of issue?
11/11/2012 9:12:51 PM
She may not have noticed that there are a lot of white people in Brazil as well. And while we're on the subject, when I lived in London the family lived next door emigrated to Beijing two years ago. They are white.
11/12/2012 1:38:13 PM
If you are White – just try immigrating to one of the BRICs nations. Of course, they discriminate in favour of their own races and nationalities.
I guarantee that a white person doesn't get discriminated in Brazil. Unless, of course, you're an ignorant racist hick. Everyone hates ignorant racist hicks.
11/12/2012 7:44:21 PM