Quote# 90558
2016 The Final Revelation
There has always been proof of God. However, the Deity cannot be detected by physics, since He does not belong to the laws of physics. But He is proven by Truth. There are at present 9 proofs I can think of concerning the entity we call God. This is abbreviated:
1. elemental logic - we ourselves are proof of God, since nothing creates what it has not the power to create.
2. the nature of humans to conceive of eternal values.
3. the nature of humans to worship a god of some nature.
4. the nature of humans to develop a religion around the god.
5. the creation living creatures, showing design enginuity and amazing genius.
6. the nature of humans to wear clothing. Animals will not wear clothes, but humans always do, beginning at the fall of Adam.
7. the nature of humans to speak not only sounds, but words, and the words are formed in "primary sequence" or "equation" format. (subject, verb, indirect object, preposition, and direct object)
8. the nature of the universe
always to be initiated by choice. Physical things are generated, and form does not exist primarily even in abstract. It is only thought to be acted upon.
9. the nature of humans to either accept of reject the Gospel. Throughout history, people have recognized their sin, repented and believed the message of Christ. Why does this happen? If there is no sin, why have many people rejected evil for good.
There is a book that discusses these concepts entitled "2016 The Final Revelation." It is very enlightening.
W. Pope,
Amazon Religion Forum 42 Comments [11/8/2012 4:34:23 AM]
Fundie Index: 53
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#1466753
Titania
This is too much WTFery for this early in the morning.
11/8/2012 4:52:55 AM
#1466775
zoltán
Dubya Pope just wants you to buy his book: "2016 The Final Revelation...Actually this is the one the most interesting books ever written."
http://www.amazon.com/2016-The-Final-Revelation-ebook/dp/B00960YYJS/ref=cm_cr_pr_pb_t
11/8/2012 5:42:51 AM
#1466782
Felix Wilde
Wow... W. Pope is really stupid.
The guy who says "X cannot be proven nor disproven" is a logical contradiction uses "elemental logic" to prove the existence of god...
11/8/2012 6:03:57 AM
#1466784
UHM
"1. elemental logic - we ourselves are proof of God, since nothing creates what it has not the power to create."
Refuted a million times.
"2. the nature of humans to conceive of eternal values."
You have to prove that there are eternal values before claiming that conceiving them says anything.
"3. the nature of humans to worship a god of some nature."
What? That you believe in something doesn't mean it's true.
"4. the nature of humans to develop a religion around the god."
Traditions don't make god real.
"5. the creation living creatures, showing design enginuity and amazing genius."
All designed by the drive to survive in an environment.
"6. the nature of humans to wear clothing. Animals will not wear clothes, but humans always do, beginning at the fall of Adam."
Ever heard of Naturism? Better yet, have you ever heard of Naturist communities?
"7. the nature of humans to speak not only sounds, but words, and the words are formed in "primary sequence" or "equation" format. (subject, verb, indirect object, preposition, and direct object)"
Intelligence does not god make.
"8. the nature of the universe always to be initiated by choice. Physical things are generated, and form does not exist primarily even in abstract. It is only thought to be acted upon."
So chance doesn't ecxist, huh?
"9. the nature of humans to either accept of reject the Gospel. Throughout history, people have recognized their sin, repented and believed the message of Christ. Why does this happen? If there is no sin, why have many people rejected evil for good."
I can also accept or reject Communist canon, that doesn't make it true. We reject what we call evil becuase what we call good is social and we are social creatures.
Next.
11/8/2012 6:15:36 AM
#1466789
Reynardine
First we lost our fur, and then it got cold. We were able to wrap things around ourselves, and then sew them, because we have hands.
11/8/2012 6:22:19 AM
#1466799
Paler_Face
1) you assume we are created. We aren't. Our species has evolved.
2) This is not even a complete sentence, but I think you mean that humans can conceive of 'eternal values'. Even if we could (wich I doubt), this does not mean that they actually exist.
3) Only for some people. The highy educated are much less likely to turn to a god. This also does not prove the existence of a deity. Reality does not bend to our beliefs.
4) This is an extention of 3. Reality still does not bend to our beliefs.
5) Do a youtube search for "Neil Tyson Stupid Design".
6) *facepalm* There are still tribes in some rainforests where clothes are optional. A sense of shame about showing our genitals in public is a cultural phenomenon, not a proof of the divine.
7) Humans may not be the only creatures that have evolved a language. Wales seem to have a form of libguistic communication as well. Individual dolphins even have names.
8) The nature of the universe is that is is hostile to life. Just look at the volume of the universe where you can't live.
9) The existence of your religion does not prove god. The fact that people convert to your faith at times does not prove your god. Some people convert to Islam. Does that mean that Islam is as true as (your version of) christianity? Of course not!
11/8/2012 6:32:54 AM
#1466803
Mister Spak
9. the nature of humans to either accept of reject the Koran. Throughout history, people have recognized their sin, repented and believed the message of Allah. Why does this happen? If there is no sin, why have many people rejected evil for good.
There is a book that discusses these concepts entitled "2016 The Final Revelation." It is very enfrightening.
11/8/2012 6:36:05 AM
#1466809
Kuno
6. the nature of humans to wear clothing. Animals will not wear clothes, but humans always do, beginning at the fall of Adam.
FU, if the weather (and the sensibilities of prudes around me) would allow it, I would be naked almost all the time!
11/8/2012 6:39:59 AM
#1466814
Doubting Thomas
Sorry but none of this proves your God exists. You can use the same arguments to prove that any other god is the one real god. Funny how people use these arguments to "prove" that their own god exists, but still believe that all other gods are false gods being worshiped by heathens.
11/8/2012 6:52:48 AM
#1466818
gravematter
"the nature of humans to speak not only sounds, but words, and the words are formed in "primary sequence" or "equation" format. (subject, verb, indirect object, preposition, and direct object)"
You do realise there are other languages other than English, right? They don't all form sentences with the same word structure. As for the rest of your arguments, I am at a loss to understand what is going on in your head.
11/8/2012 6:55:52 AM
#1466829
John_in_Oz
While they're all funny, I think 5. the creation living creatures, showing design enginuity and amazing genius. is my favourite.
An omnipotent, omniscient, omnibenevolent creator God would create organisms that have optimal design.
Organisms have features that are sub-optimal.
Therefore, God either did not create these organisms or is not omnipotent, omniscient, and omnibenevolent.
There's actually a lot of stupidity in the design, like having the optic nerve come out in front of the retina, the birth canal passing through the pelvis, the foreskin that he wants us to chop off. (Actually, I quite like the foreskin, it's the chopping off that's unintelligent.)
11/8/2012 7:11:34 AM
#1466842
Horsefeathers
Hey Pope, have you by chance suffered a head injury recently?
11/8/2012 7:55:49 AM
#1466843
Anon-e-moose
"2016 The Final Revelation"
...that - even before Obama's 2nd term win 48 hours ago - the Democrats are already plannning on lining up Hillary Clinton to run. Do they know something that you Religious Reich don't...?!
'Tis truly the End Times. For YOU. >:D
11/8/2012 8:02:08 AM
#1466847
Swede
1. Humans create humans all the time. Frogs create frogs, gold-fishes create gold-fishes.
2. Chimps and gorillas, who have learned sign language, also seem to have a concept of Beyond. Maybe intelligent beings just want there to be Something More.
3. A god, stupid, not your god in particular.
4. A religion, stupid, not yours in particular, and most religions have more than one god.
5. No, nature is showing a trial-and-error, stumbling creation.
6. Humans don't always wear clothes, see Nudists. The colder it gets, the more clothes humans put on. Dogs with little or no fur wear clothes in cold climates.
7. We evolved speech and language, stupid. Early humanoids don't have speech-able larynxes.
8. The Big Bang Theory explains most things about the creation of the Universe.
9. Some people are agnostic, in doubt. Throughout history people have converted to other religions, with other gods. Why does this happen?
What about your nature of not using capital letters?
11/8/2012 8:11:53 AM
#1466856
farpadokly
I've got another book for you to read before you send "2016 The Final Revelation" to the publishers. It's called "Common Logical Fallacies and How to Avoid Them".
11/8/2012 8:27:19 AM
#1466868
Papabear
1. What created God?
2. Imagination and wishful thinking are not proofs of God.
3. That people want easy and comforting answers is no proof that God is real.
4. See #3.
5. That life exists is no proof that God exists. Also, see #1.
6. Oh come on. People wear clothing because they haven't the protective fur or thick hides of many other animals.
7. People speak in words because they are mentally and physically able. Not a proof of God.
8. WTF?
9. See #3
11/8/2012 8:51:03 AM
#1466874
Thinking Allowed
Nothing like self promotion, even if it's bad.
11/8/2012 9:00:44 AM
#1466879
Skyknight
Countering element 6 in the OTHER direction...Hermit crabs? Caddisfly nymphs? I realize that what they do may not obviously qualify as "clothes". But they do like the protection their not-produced-by-themselves armor affords.
11/8/2012 9:16:28 AM
#1466890
Osiris
Fuck me. It's too early in the morning to put up with this much crazy.
11/8/2012 9:48:12 AM
#1466895
finnugold
Humans don't always wear clothes. Words are not sentences.
11/8/2012 10:03:42 AM
#1466914
Prager
That's just silly.
11/8/2012 10:58:14 AM
#1466953
Old Viking
114. The nature of vinegar to curdle milk.
115. The nature of toast to fall butter side down.
11/8/2012 1:02:25 PM
#1466955
freako104
9 points. 9 fails
11/8/2012 1:02:52 PM
#1466970
CG
"2. the nature of humans to conceive of eternal values. 3. the nature of humans to worship a god of some nature.
4. the nature of humans to develop a religion around the god."
Uhm, so basically God exists because we invented it? Am I getting this fuckery right?
11/8/2012 1:36:47 PM
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11/8/2012 1:50:54 PM
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