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You made a mistake in logic. You say that "God" cannot be proven or disproven. This is a contradiction in terms. If God cannot be disproven, then He is proven. If He cannot be proven, then He is disproven. You can't have both. You must first define what God is before you can analytically prove his existence. God is defined as the "first being." Now we have to define what a "being" is. A being is an entity, and an entity is an autonamous functioning system that percieves, contemplates, chooses, and acts. We are beings, and if you don't believe that there is no reason to discuss further.
Since only beings act, then the first nature must be a being. To start at the first nature, you must start at nothing. Nothing does not exist. It is like the point. The point is an idea, but can't be drawn or decribed except as a beginning. So nothing is not, therefore life is. This is the beginning of the 0-10 fundamental principles which progress into the concept-reality progression. This is what half of my book 2016 The Final Revelation is about, so I'm not going to explain the whole thing here. The famous numbers of the Bible, being mainly 3, 7, 12, 33, 40, 70, and 72 are understood by this progression.

W. Pope, Amazon Religion Forum 55 Comments [11/8/2012 4:35:29 AM]
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Frostythesnowman

Does something called Deuteronomy, chapter 18 ring any bells? It's in a book called 'The Bible'. Give it a read and see what it says about numerology.

A quick glance at some simple books about theology, philosophy, cosmology and logic might help, as might a dictionary. Although I somehow doubt it.

11/8/2012 4:50:10 AM

Mihangel apYrs

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garble

word salad, totally tossed

11/8/2012 4:52:20 AM

michael3ov

I think you fell asleep in logic class.

"If God cannot be disproven, then He is proven. "

Can you disprove the existence of the Flying Spaghetti Monster? All hail his name.

You can't? Well then he must exist.

How about the tiny teapot orbiting Jupiter? Can you disprove that? No? Then there must be a tiny teapot orbiting Jupiter.

You fail miserably at logic. Please never, ever, ever, attempt to point out another person's "mistake in logic".

11/8/2012 5:20:35 AM

Sevagram

Aw, how cute. A fundie trying to use logic. It's like watching a monkey trying to use a tin opener.

11/8/2012 5:24:48 AM

whatever

"If God cannot be disproven, then He is proven. If He cannot be proven, then He is disproven. You can't have both."

Massive logic fail.

11/8/2012 5:27:46 AM

Felix Wilde

@Sevagram: No, the monkey will eventually figure it out, or at least get the can open. The fundie, if I may extend the simile, will start hitting the can with the opener and insist that is how it is properly used.

But according to this guy, God is disproven. He can't be proven, after all.

I wonder if he's ever heard the word "agnosticism" before?

11/8/2012 5:39:01 AM

Rob aka Mediancat

michael3ov: I suspect W. Pope was trying to get around that with that definition of God. "God's SPECIAL," you see. Of course, that's defining God into existence, which has its own set of problems.

11/8/2012 5:58:20 AM

Reynardine

This is an excellent argument against holding logic classes at 7:00 A.M.

11/8/2012 6:02:04 AM

Paler_Face

If God cannot be disproven, then He is proven.

You can replace God with any deity, mythological creature/ lovecraftian horror into that sentence. By your logic Cthulhu, unicorns, Cybertron (and thus Transformers), and the Purple Oyster (of Doom) are all proven to exist, because noone has disproven these.

"If Megatron cannot be disproven, then he is proven"

See? That line of 'reasoning' doesn't work that well, does it?


11/8/2012 6:20:24 AM

Mister Spak

"You made a mistake in logic."

someone wants to discuss logic with you.



11/8/2012 6:33:39 AM

Robespierre

A statement and its opposite can both be non-contradictory and both be unsupported by evidence.
After all, there ARE things we don't know.
If you want to play logic, play it right.

11/8/2012 6:36:34 AM

Kuno

[Insert fixed text with God replaced by the following here]

- FSM
- IPU
- Russell’s teapot
- invisible dragons living in garages
- Princess Celestia or Princess Luna, whoever you prefer
- The Doctor
- Superman
- Batman
- Darth Vader
- Dumbledore
- etc. pp.

I think you get my point…

11/8/2012 6:36:43 AM

Doubting Thomas

If He cannot be proven, then He is disproven.

Good enough reason for me to not believe in him, seeing as how not one person in history has ever offered actual, factual evidence for God's existence. Unfortunately, though, this argument is not necessarily true because there just may not be enough evidence available to us to prove his existence. However, with all the claims being made about God and what he wants humans to do, not to mention all the erroneous things in the bible, and the fact that there have been thousands of different gods worshiped throughout history, it's a pretty safe bet that he was just made up by humans who continue to make him in their own image.

Since only beings act, then the first nature must be a being. To start at the first nature, you must start at nothing. Nothing does not exist. It is like the point. The point is an idea, but can't be drawn or decribed except as a beginning. So nothing is not, therefore life is. This is the beginning of the 0-10 fundamental principles which progress into the concept-reality progression. This is what half of my book 2016 The Final Revelation is about, so I'm not going to explain the whole thing here. The famous numbers of the Bible, being mainly 3, 7, 12, 33, 40, 70, and 72 are understood by this progression.

What the FUCK are you talking about? You've just gone over the edge into Christian la-la land.

11/8/2012 6:44:25 AM

Dr.Shrinker

"If God cannot be disproven, then He is proven."

- Oh look, another one of 'the faithful' for whom faith isn't good enough.

11/8/2012 6:46:34 AM

dionysus

Sorry, what? It's hard to hear you if you keep gazing at your navel.

11/8/2012 6:57:48 AM

John_in_Oz

God is defined as the "first being."

Sorry, I couldn't get past your 'God is an amoeba' shtick.

11/8/2012 7:01:11 AM

Leighton Buzzard

Oh, look, another self-published twit with an invincible proof of god. Let's hope Pope the dope didn't pay too much to have it published, eh?

11/8/2012 7:35:51 AM

Horsefeathers

That's a lot of words to say not very much.

11/8/2012 7:51:44 AM

Papabear

One may not be able to prove that gods don't exist, but prtoving that the God of the Bible doesn't exist is a cinch.

11/8/2012 8:42:13 AM

mellenORL

ya know, this gives me some ideas to make a little extra cash from home. Publishing to the Amazon Kindle Marketplace is so cheap as to be nearly free. Just cut and paste a bunch of mystical, out of context bullshit from the king james version, intersperse some pious drivel, and promote it with the Kindle Singles format for a day. Did you guys know that the single largest category for books on Amazon is Religion and Spirituality? Tons of market share there to fleece the sheeple lol.

11/8/2012 8:44:53 AM

Nihlum

Godel called and said it doesn't work that way.

11/8/2012 8:53:45 AM

Thinking Allowed

It's cute when they try to attempts at logic that fail miserably.

11/8/2012 8:57:43 AM

Flah

Not again. Do I have to bring out the Babel fish?

11/8/2012 9:15:33 AM

Osiris

If something can't be disproven then it can't be accepted by science. Look at theories, every single theory can be disproven, but can never be proven. That doesn't automatically disprove every theory. It works this way because scientists accept that all knowledge is tentative and we might discover something tomorrow that changes what we know about today. It's happened before.

11/8/2012 9:50:21 AM

OhJohnNo

@Doubting Thomas: Christian la-la land? I have a better name: East Jesus Nowhere.

11/8/2012 10:05:01 AM
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