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We narrowly lost in four deep blue states, after being badly outspent. Even though NOM contributed a record amount to help these state races—$5.5 million—our opponents were able to amass vast amounts of cash to drive their campaigns. They outspent us by $20 million, and that money helped them win narrow victories.

How close did we come? In Maine, we would have won if 18,000 voters had gone the other way. In Maryland, we lost by 94,000 votes out of 2.4 million cast. In Minnesota, about 100,000 votes out of 2.9 million cast. And in Washington, we lost by 83,000 votes out of 2.1 million ballots counted so far (final results there won't be known for days).

We always knew it would be a tough fight. These states are so liberal that they were never contested at the presidential level, except very late in Minnesota, resulting in blowout wins for Obama in each of the four states.

It's funny how the left and the media work. Can you imagine if marriage elections were held in Texas, Georgia, Alabama and South Carolina and gay marriage advocates had narrowly lost those fights after being outspent by $20 million? Do you think the media and the left would suggest that homosexual marriage advocates cut and run and give up the fight because they lost in those states? Of course not! If anything, they'd be congratulating them on a great showing.

Yet some advocates on the left and in the media are saying we've lost. It's preposterous!

One of the PR spins that our opponents are pushing is that somehow these votes signal that the country has changed their views about same-sex marriage. That is preposterous as well.

National Organization for Marriage, NOMBlog 73 Comments [11/14/2012 4:18:47 AM]
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Prager

Guess what, NoM, the country's views about same-sex marriage ARE changing. Now grow up and get over it.

11/14/2012 4:31:20 AM

Filin De Blanc

OM NOM NOM.

Some people just can't admit defeat.

11/14/2012 4:33:37 AM



If your aunt had balls, she'd be your uncle. You LOST fair and square!

11/14/2012 4:40:12 AM

Mudak

1. You lost. Period.
2. There was a similar vote in Maine two years ago that went your way. That s proof that the views are changing.
3. In the past, you've used votes like this to get out the vote of conservatives, hoping that conservative candidates would benefit from their presence. That's why you almost always have these votes in "blue" states. Having those elections in Texas, Georgia, Alabama, and South Carolina would prove nothing we don't already know. Unless, somehow, they'd vote for equality, in which case, your position would be seen as even more ridiculous than it already is.

11/14/2012 4:55:14 AM

Firewing

What's the matter NOMbies? Astroturfing not working out so well?

11/14/2012 4:59:00 AM

shykid

Um, NOM. I really, really wouldn't be saying anything about the finances of the other side if I were you, lest you get very loudly and publicly reminded of your own money laundering and other assorted shady financial tactics, not to mention the fact that you're on the side that supports unlimited political spending by corporate and special-interest groups with no transparency, which automatically puts you in no position to complain about big spending for LGBT equality without looking like a massive hypocrite. Unfortunately, I am lazy and running a bit late this morning, so I can't dig up any trash on you right now, but really, all it takes is a little Googling to see the skeletons in your closet in all their glory.

11/14/2012 5:02:08 AM



Well they are right about one thing, in all 4 states Obama won by a greater margin than marriage equality. So there are still plenty of Obama voters who either can't be bothered to check a box on gay marriage even when they are already out to vote, or they are in fact voting against marriage equality (and these people are outnumbering Romney supporters voting for marriage). So don't get too enthusiastic in your high-fiving, there are still plenty of states where marriage equality would lose out.

11/14/2012 5:09:42 AM

Barael

I love how they present the numbers from Maine: "if 18000 voters had gone the other way".

They didn't lose by 18000 but actually by (over) double that, but it's still correct to say that if 18000 (or slightly more) of the pro-same sex marriage voters had instead voted against, they would have won.

But that's basically like saying "we would've won with just 100 more votes... provided 37000 opposing voters hadn't showed up."

11/14/2012 5:31:13 AM

UHM

Nah, I don't think there will ever be such a vote in Southern State, it would be a waste of money. It is much simplier to get Prop 8 declared unconstitutional and make an Amendment to the constitution - thanks to the distribution of states on the political map 2/3 of the states aren't that hard to come by.

11/14/2012 5:33:24 AM

gravematter

"Yet some advocates on the left and in the media are saying we've lost. It's preposterous!"
You're the ones who tried to make this election about your narrow-minded single issue. The Republicans lost. By your own standards, that means you lost. Take your defeat gracefully, and piss off. Not all Republicans believe in your bullshit. You are not helping anything by trying to shoehorn your organisation into party politics.

11/14/2012 5:33:48 AM

Mike Litoris


11/14/2012 5:37:59 AM

Justanotheratheist

If. The biggest two letter word in the vocabulary. If Romney had won, Romney would have won. But he didn't, so shut up and live with it.

11/14/2012 5:40:34 AM



Sorry, but polls, which are more reliable than voter turnout, especially when we're talking about typically lazy Democratic voters, show that attitudes have changed significantly just in the last four years.

Also, many people who have voted against marriage have done so only because of the lies told in massively funded scare ads which have run constantly in states that had marriage laws on the ballot, claiming that churches would be forced to perform marriages or clergy jailed, etc. In CA, for example, almost as soon as the election was over and the lies were debunked, the poll numbers changed several points back in favor of legalization.

11/14/2012 6:02:12 AM

ausador

What's preposterous is NOM trying to keep the people who donate to it in a state of denial about the average voter. National polls now show that a slim majority favors allowing same-sex marriage, it is our vote that is growing while theirs is shrinking. They have already lost, they just wont admit it to the donors they are bilking in a futile cause.

On Nov. 6th one of their cherished canons was utterly crushed, the one that said that no state had voted to allow same-sex marriage. Until now they have made much of the fact that previously only Court or Legislative action have resulted in marriage equality. They claimed that if given the choice people would never vote for Gay marriage.

Now they have been proven wrong on that canard, not just in one state, but in three of them on the same day! :D

11/14/2012 6:09:18 AM

fishtank

Remember how your initiatives fucked up in Colorado and other more conservative states.. so..?

11/14/2012 6:21:45 AM

Mister Spak

"We narrowly lost in four deep blue states, after being badly outspent. Even though NOM contributed a record amount to help these state races—$5.5 million—our opponents were able to amass vast amounts of cash to drive their campaigns. They outspent us by $20 million, and that money helped them win narrow victories. "

You're talking about prop 8 in California, right? Where vast amounts of out-of-state cash from mormon and catholic churches were used to drive the campaign, right?

Oh, you're not talking about that?

It's funny how the right and the media work. When the right does something it's perfectly OK but when Americans do it there is somehow something wrong with it.

Even though Americans didn't do it, it just fiction produced by the right to spin their loss as a victory.

11/14/2012 6:28:47 AM

Raised by Horses

Imagine... Just imagine what we could accomplish if these people spent this much effort on real problems.

11/14/2012 7:04:23 AM

Sheridan

Your side lost, so deal.

11/14/2012 7:04:56 AM

Doubting Thomas

The bottom line is that slowly but surely, your side is losing. And with the younger generations being more liberal and tolerant and the older, conservative voters dying off, the anti-gay movement will lose even more ground. In all actuality, we shouldn't be voting on people's civil rights anyway, since they should be guaranteed by the Constitution.

we would have won if 18,000 voters had gone the other way.

What is it with homophobes and their unintentionally humorous use of double-entendres?

11/14/2012 7:06:07 AM

Fundies Make Me Sick

Considering same-sex marriage was approved in 2-3 states the night of the election, I'd say the country is slowly but steadily changing it's mind about the issue and that's a good thing.

11/14/2012 8:50:29 AM

dionysus

What you're missing is that Mitt Romney wasn't a social conservative. At least, not to the point that you are. Oh he may have played a social conservative in the primaries but when the general election came that version of Romney was long gone. To think that the GOP should continue to pursue a socially conservative agenda when even your own candidate wanted nothing to do with it is insane. You think you'll win over Maine, Minnesota and Washington with your invasive, authoritarian BS? Go ahead and try it. Either the GOP will finally disown you (as they should) or the Democrats win the next few elections (if they continue to be in denial).

11/14/2012 8:53:27 AM

Darwin

"In Maine, we would have won if 18,000 voters had gone the other way."

Wow, there's some deep analysis. Rather like saying that the Titanic wouldn't have sunk if it hadn't hit the iceberg.

11/14/2012 8:57:33 AM

J. James

"Yet some advocates on the left and in the media are saying we've lost. It's preposterous!"

Yeah! How dare they... Point out that every single one of those pro-gay marriage ballot measures won.

11/14/2012 9:01:25 AM

Swede

The organizations fighting for human rights for black people didn't cut and run the first time they lost, either. Fights for human rights continue until the human rights are won, and then they continue even longer, to KEEP those human rights, as there are always people who want to take them away again. Like the right for women to have control over their own bodies, and their reproductive health; there are strong forces all over the world (even in Europe) to force women into reproductive slavery and to be the property of fathers and husbands.

Just as the fight for freedom for all slaves in the US continued until all were free, the fight for freedom for all humans to marry will continue until all are free to marry their consenting adult partner.

We will also keep on fighting for the right for girls to continue to go to school, play with their friends and simply be children, until they become adults. Millions of girls around the world are forced into marriage before the age of 15, hundreds of thousands die in child-birth before the age of 15. Children should be allowed to be children, not wives or mothers (or husbands or fathers, for that matter).

11/14/2012 9:07:12 AM

Thinking Allowed

One of the PR spins that our opponents are pushing is that somehow these votes signal that the country has changed their views about same-sex marriage. That is preposterous as well.

Yeah...the Republicans thought that as well. They were wrong too.

11/14/2012 9:18:11 AM
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