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Ever since the 7th
I was waiting for that one post that would bellyache about the gays getting rights in the four states that allowed it by popular vote.
Cry, cry, cry, NOM. Cry, cry, cry. Your tears are water. A nice glass of ice cold water after a long day of strenous exercise during a heat wave: tall and refreshing, offering a moment of pure bliss. Gay people and freedom lovers everywhere are thirsty, and now they are drinking from the springs.
By the way, attitudes are changing. Here's a Gallup
poll. Read and weep.
I leave you with these words: You lost. Attitudes are changing. Time to suck it up and get over it.
11/14/2012 9:26:25 AM
We need to keep fighting because civil rights shouldn't have to be put to a vote. You need to give up because bigots such as yourself are on the wrong side of history. Kill yourself, NOM. All of you kill yourselves.
11/14/2012 10:08:42 AM
We lost? Ah, no, but, what is losing, and what is winning, really? In a way, in a strange, counter-intuitive kind of way, we won.
11/14/2012 10:44:54 AM
Okay, speaking as a Marylander (hence the name), the gay marriage question wasn't fought over much here.
I don't remember seeing any TV ads about it, and only a tiny handful of signs -- mostly against, though I did see a few for it.
I did get regular e-mails and a few physical mailings from gay rights groups, but that's from organizations I'm affiliated with anyway.
The big referendum here was whether to allow another casino in the state. Really, nobody paid that much attention to the marriage question.
So, where was all this spending, NOM?
Oh, for what it's worth... when I voted to allow myself the right to get married... I almost cried. (Okay, the irony is that my state allows gay marriage, and I actually have someone with whom I'm discussing something permanent... and we're planning to live in Virginia when we move in together.)
11/14/2012 10:49:42 AM
Can you imagine if marriage elections were held in Texas, Georgia, Alabama and South Carolina and gay marriage advocates had narrowly lost those fights after being outspent by $20 million? Do you think the media and the left would suggest that homosexual marriage advocates cut and run and give up the fight because they lost in those states? Of course not! If anything, they'd be congratulating them on a great showing.
Yet some advocates on the left and in the media are saying we've lost. It's preposterous!
One of the PR spins that our opponents are pushing is that somehow these votes signal that the country has changed their views about same-sex marriage. That is preposterous as well.
There's this amazing idea called trends. They help to put certain data into context. In this case, the trend over the last decade is that people are becoming more and more accepting of homosexuality; it finally got to the point where a majority in three states felt comfortable with all gays having the right to marry their loved one (and a fourth state being against restricting the definition of marriage).
But I wouldn't expect a right-winger to really understand trends. After all, I'm sure most of you were lapping up Mitt's very isolated data points regarding gas prices and unemployment. Never mind that gas took a large dip right before Obama was sworn in due to the cratering economy, from an average high that we still haven't reached again almost 4 years later. Never mind that when he was sworn in unemployment was skyrocketing and it's now on a steady decline. You don't need them trendlines, all you care about are cherry-picked data points in a vacuum.
The anti-gay side is losing. Young Americans are overwhelmingly supportive of gay rights. I know people get more conservative as they get older, but this isn't something that they're going to flip on.
11/14/2012 11:02:59 AM
Now, if things in the Supreme Court go well and we get some of those conservative ninnies who think it's okay to keep people oppressed for religious, not secular, reasons despite the country, my country, was founded on secular principles and should only be judged by secular standards... well? Might see the disabling of homosexuals from marrying being made into a human right.
But for now, I'm happy to see at least a few states are on the right track!
11/14/2012 11:25:16 AM
You lost because the blue states are better educated. Go back to your cave.
11/14/2012 12:01:30 PM
So, Now that the campaign laws have been rigged towards favoring rich people and corporations even more than in the past, you have the balls to complain about being outspent. STFU.
Same-sex marriage will eventually prevail as older stick-in-the-mud conservatives die off and young people who see that it's not a problem enter the voting population. You're screwed... so to speak.
11/14/2012 12:24:41 PM
One of the PR spins that our opponents are pushing is that somehow these votes signal that the country has changed their views about same-sex marriage.
Of course it has. Ten years ago, the vote wouldn't even have happened. And 40 years ago, most people would have laughed at the idea of same-sex marriage.
11/14/2012 12:39:47 PM
Well let's see; four years ago California, the bastion of those homosexual hives of scum and villainy known as San Francisco and Los Angeles voted for a Constitutional amendment that would specifically define marriage as between one man and one woman, thus preventing same-sex marriage. This year Minnesota, the heartland of America, voted against the exact same amendment to their Constitution.
If that isn't a symptom of our nation changing, I don't know what is.
11/14/2012 12:53:07 PM
People capable of thinking for themselves send you people into a panic don't they?
What's preposterous is a fictional deity being used as an excuse to control peoples lives.
You have lost and will fade from history. Goodbye.
11/14/2012 1:07:57 PM
Minnesota has been reliably Democrat-leaning for the last 20 years, although nowhere near so much so as California and there is a checkerboard pattern of congressional districts. So there is a big social change happening on marriage equality, but it isn't as big as it could be.
Give it time.
11/14/2012 1:41:22 PM
The bestest thing about this election, is all the funny butthurtness on the right!
11/14/2012 1:57:15 PM
Princess Woona is best sock-NOMmer. :3
11/14/2012 2:22:17 PM
"We should have won that game. We left way more men on base than they did."
11/14/2012 2:28:45 PM
The real reason the red states lost:
Nutrition, and body and brain health.
Check out the diabetes rate distribution. Keep in mind that a lot of the South West is a big empty.
Then, check out the distribution of farms with direct sales. Eat fresh!
11/14/2012 2:41:12 PM
Ya still lost. Fucking get over it.
11/14/2012 3:01:08 PM
The truth of the matter is simply that... people change. Any decade ago, this would have gone the way you have wanted. As people are exposed to more educated levels, the more enlightened they become. The less educated they become, the inverse. So, you might want to fight education, to have your own way.
So it goes.
11/14/2012 4:55:28 PM
When same sex marriage LOST in Maine in 2009 I was in the Equality Maine chat room and made the following statement to the dejected gathering, "Victory is inevitable. The only questions are how long will it take and what will be the cost."
Now, finally, the tables have turned. There's still a long way to go but that inevitable victory is closer than ever.
11/14/2012 5:07:02 PM
I call bullshit on the whole "outspent by liberals" thing. Conservatives had a LOT more airtime, and it was via PAC and superPAc money that doesn't officially get tallied with the candidate's campaign totals.
11/14/2012 5:54:04 PM
You totally failed and then failed once again when you outlined how the left would lie about this as an example of how you are also lying. But then Anon-E-Moose posted a fucking pony, proving liberalism to be cancer.
11/14/2012 8:56:29 PM
Yes, let's give gays the "right" to marry...
.... while we strip blacks and other minorities of their rights.
Makes sense. :)
11/14/2012 9:46:46 PM
Yeah, yeah, keep telling yourselves that, NOMbnuts...
@Anon-e-moose: so cute! ^^
@Troll4Life: care to provide evidence that blacks are losing rights? And you make it sound like there would be a link between gays finally getting the right (no scare quotes needed) to marry and said supposed loss of rights, so you also have to prove that relation. Protip: some people getting the rights they were denied doesn't mean that other people will suddenly lose some of their rights to compensate.
11/14/2012 10:51:09 PM
Beg pardon, whose rights are being stripped? And which rights are they? These are not sarcastic questions. I was not aware of any decrease in civil liberties as a result of this election, but I am also aware that I am not aware of everything and must work to avoid being blinded by privilege.
But, to make something clear:
As Adrian says, marriage equality doesn't subtract from anyone's rights. It isn't a zero-sum game. It's positive-sum, otherwise known as win-win.
11/14/2012 11:19:27 PM
Your grandchildren are going to think about you the way you think of your racist ancestors. I pity you.
11/15/2012 1:22:57 AM
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