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Your grasp of US history in pathetic.

The North meddled in Southern affairs for years prior to the attack on Ft Sumter. Slavery was dying thanks to the cotton gin and harvester machines but the abolitionists kept the pot boiling. Also, the North and the Feds used economic sanctions on the South coming up to 1861. Kinda like the Feds do NOW when Obama takes 1.6 MILLION acres of “federal land” off of the drilling table.

How can the Federal government usurp the 10th Amendment, seize the lands of a State, and then prevent the State from developing the resources to the benefit of its citizens.

THAT is just one reason why I support secession.

Gunny G, Moonbattery 31 Comments [11/19/2012 3:31:47 PM]
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ausador

No Gunny G. you are the one whose grasp of US history is pathetic.

The cotton gin had been around for more than sixty years (since 1794) before the civil war started. Its use led to an increased demand for slaves in the South because more and more cotton needed to be planted, tended, and harvested to "feed the Gins."

The first successful commercial cotton picker was made by international harvester in 1943. Before and during the civil war there was no such thing as cotton "harvester machines," (although a patent was granted for one design in 1850 the machine was never put into production). In fact until the mid 1920s ALL cotton picking was done by hand without any mechanical aid at all.

Typical Wingnut all mouth and no brains.

11/15/2012 1:13:01 PM

NonProphet

Besides the US History failure, this intellectually vacant waste-of-space is upset that Obama doesn't want to destroy the environment for unnecessary drilling?
If these wingnuts had their way, every national park would be replaced with drilling & strip-mining, and to hell with all those endangered species.

11/19/2012 4:26:34 PM

ScrappyB

It's not often you see such a complete history fail.

Slavery was NOT dying out. The cotton gin sped up the process of removing the seeds from cotton fibers. They still needed slaves to plant, tend and harvest the fields. Of the four million slaves in the southern states, half were involved in cotton production alone.

11/19/2012 4:57:10 PM

John

How can the Federal government usurp the 10th Amendment, seize the lands of a State, and then prevent the State from developing the resources to the benefit of its citizens.

It wasn't the state's land to begin with.

11/19/2012 5:02:34 PM

Rabbit of Caerbannog

Considering Gunny is an Alaskan, there's a fair chance he had the same education as Sarah Palin. Think about that.

11/19/2012 5:10:48 PM

Amadan

Alexander Stevens, Vice-President of the Confederacy, March 21, 1861:

"Our new government is founded upon exactly the opposite idea [to the equality of races] ; its foundations are laid, its corner-stone rests upon the great truth, that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery—subordination to the superior race—is his natural and normal condition."

PS Cracker: Jeff Davis ran away from arrest dressed as a woman.


11/19/2012 5:22:35 PM

Wehpudicabok

"Our new government is founded upon exactly the opposite idea; its foundations are laid, its corner- stone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery subordination to the superior race is his natural and normal condition. This, our new government, is the first, in the history of the world, based upon this great physical, philosophical, and moral truth."

Alexander Stephens, Vice President of the Confederate States of America.

Do you still think slavery was dying? Are you willing to admit that it is you whose grasp of US history is pathetic?

Edit: Aw, someone beat me to it. By one minute! That's actually amazing.

11/19/2012 5:23:48 PM



I admit Lincoln wasn't perfect


but he was a hell of alot better than the alternative

11/19/2012 6:12:09 PM

Arctic Knight

Actually the cotton gin is what kept slavery from dying a natural death in the first place. Slavery was on the decline until the invention of the cotton gin. It was when cotton could be processed in such quantities that southern plantation owners changed their crops to cotton and used more slaved for the harvesting process.

Your grasp of history is pathetic.

"Keep your cotton picking hands out of my gin!" ~Eli Whitney.

11/19/2012 7:04:11 PM



dude, do you know how many cows you can raise on 1.6 million acres?

11/19/2012 7:04:21 PM

cheese007

I just got done a whole history course on U.S. history up to the civil war, and I can safely say Gunny, that you are full of shit.

11/19/2012 8:05:29 PM

Sasha

If it's "federal land," it's none of the State's business. Now go to the library and start with U.S history books for the fifth grade.

11/19/2012 8:20:04 PM

Osiris

Well yeah Obama has every right to decide that oil companies can't drill on federal land. As President of the United States that's his decision. If it were state land or private land that would be different, but as the leader of the federal government he can decide what happens to land that belongs to said federal government.

You need to retake high school history and government.

11/19/2012 8:39:51 PM



what is it with you guys and drilling?

These people would be drilling in Yellowstone if they had the opportunity. thankfully we have a sane leader who won't let that happpen

11/19/2012 8:45:18 PM

Mech610

Fine, than leave traitor. You're saying all these things, when not so long ago these words of treason would have gotten you an investigation.

11/19/2012 9:00:29 PM



Domestic oil drilling has increased 300% under Obama.

Besides that, domestic oil drilling is done by private companies, and the oil goes on the WORLD MARKET to the highest bidder. We don't keep it here for our own use.

Oh, no, heaven forbid we nationalize our oil production rather than pay huge subsidies to private oil companies so they can make obscene profits!! THAT would be communist-socialist-marxist-maoist-fascist, and would make Glen Beck cry, wouldn't it?

11/20/2012 12:16:48 AM

pete

Just about every statement in this screed is the opposite of true.

11/20/2012 12:43:32 AM

michael3ov

" Slavery was dying thanks to the cotton gin and harvester machines"

Did one of your "the south will rise again" buddies tell you this lie in order to minimize the crimes against humanity that the south fought for and deflect the blame onto someone else?

11/20/2012 2:13:13 AM

fishtank

Because that was legal. Shut it.

11/20/2012 3:55:26 AM

rubber chicken

Everybody can play a part in improving the U.S.A.

Some by arriving, and some by leaving.

11/20/2012 4:04:35 AM

Titania

Not only a fail at history, but also current events. Obama has been quite generous with drilling permits on federal land and I'm not aware of any state lands being siezed, at least not to the tune of 1.6 million acres.

11/20/2012 4:49:39 AM

Churchy LaFemme

Have you supported secession only since about Nov. 7, or since the black guy was first elected in 2008? I'd bet the thought never crossed your little mind in, say, 2004.

11/20/2012 6:46:35 AM

Mister Spak

Your grasp of US history in pathetic.

Have you been learning history from Barton?

11/20/2012 7:04:48 AM

Doubting Thomas

You claim slavery was dying, but it still existed. The fact that it existed in the first place was bad enough, but the Southern states still didn't want to give up their slaves by the time the civil war started.

Trying to justify slavery with "it was starting to die out by then" is no justification to keep it going.

11/20/2012 7:08:11 AM

Darwin

"Slavery was dying..."

Yeah, that's why lynchings stopped before the war... Oh, wait... Um, never mind.

"Kinda like the Feds do NOW when Obama takes 1.6 MILLION acres of “federal land” off of the drilling table."

Last I heard there's four times as much drilling now than when Obama took office. But we should never let facts get in the way of a good right-wing talking point, eh?

11/20/2012 8:32:57 AM
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