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Evo scientists contend that life began 3.8 billion years ago possibly around vents in the bottom of earth's oceans. According to this theory, life began when the first replicating molecules and cells appeared in or aroud these vents. Accordingly, this process is not now going on. It was an anomoly--a one time event?

If the previous conclusion is true, curent cells in all life forms (including humans) must contain unscathed copies of this original genetic material--a copy of a copy duplicated for 3.8 billion years (that's what constitutes life) . Incredible.

The human begins with one cell. At maturity the human body consists of 100 trillion cells. Moreover, the 100 trillion cells are replaced totally every ten years--with some cells living longer than others. When someone is 50 years old there have been over 500 trillion copies of their orginal one cell.

One theory of the cause of death says that copying errors occurring in cells eventually (genetic entropy) causes death.

3.8 billion years of genetic entropy would most assuredly have doomed life by now!

That leads to the conclusion that life on earth hasn't been here that long.

Mike Summers, Evolution Fairytale Forum 32 Comments [11/20/2012 4:11:05 PM]
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fishtank

It leads me to the conclusion that you have flunked biology. Also, first.

11/20/2012 4:26:33 PM

Old Viking

What's that saying? If you can't convince 'em with facts, dazzle 'em with bullshit.

11/20/2012 4:32:41 PM

Felix Wilde

Unscathed? Wow, you really don't understand evolution.

Here's a question for bonus credit, Mike: If "genetic entropy" causes ageing and death, explain these two phenomena:

1. Biologically immortal organisms which only die when they are killed (such as hydra and some jellyfish)
2. Babies are not born aged, even though their genetic material has been copied from their parents' "decayed" genome.

"Goddidit" will not be an accepted answer.

Oh, and that cell thing... It's a myth. Snopes or Wikipedia it.

11/20/2012 4:40:03 PM

Creedence Leonore Gielgud


11/20/2012 4:50:03 PM

Alencon

What? Open a fucking science book you moron.

11/20/2012 4:58:12 PM

Mad Gear

The funny thing is, that isn't a bad description of why we have evolution in the first place. Several misconceptions, but he actually closer to reality than many creationists

11/20/2012 4:59:16 PM

Tempus

Evo scientists contend that life began 3.8 billion years ago possibly around vents in the bottom of earth's oceans. According to this theory, life began when the first replicating molecules and cells appeared in or aroud these vents. Accordingly, this process is not now going on. It was an anomoly--a one time event?

Sure it's still happening. But there's generally something around to eat anything organic that forms before it gets very far along nowadays. There wasn't anything to eat it then.

11/20/2012 5:06:42 PM

dpareja

"Evo scientists contend that life began 3.8 billion years ago..."

Evolutionary theory has as much to say about the origin of life as you have knowledge of evolutionary theory.

11/20/2012 5:13:17 PM

John

Accordingly, this process is not now going on.

Who says? It could be. It's just that now there are more advanced things that will eat you as soon as you're formed - a problem not faced by the first replicating cells.

If the previous conclusion is true, current cells in all life forms (including humans) must contain unscathed copies of this original genetic material.

Sure. There are some things that are found in virtually every form of life on the planet. How did they get faithfully duplicated for billions of years? Because anything that didn't have a true copy immediately died.

The human begins with one cell. At maturity the human body consists of 100 trillion cells. Moreover, the 100 trillion cells are replaced totally every ten years--with some cells living longer than others. When someone is 50 years old there have been over 500 trillion copies of their orginal one cell.

Except for eggs. A girl is born with the cells for all the eggs she'll ever have in her life. The only time they get duplicated is during fetal development of her daughters. And if there's a serious duplication error, the egg never develops into a child.

3.8 billion years of genetic entropy would most assuredly have doomed life by now!

It has. Over and over.

11/20/2012 6:03:26 PM

nazani14

Actually, there are other ideas about how life could have begun on earth. The fact that there are several plausible routes to abiogenesis makes last-Thursdayism even less likely.

http://www.scienceclarified.com/dispute/Vol-1/Did-life-on-Earth-begin-in-the-little-warm-pond.html#b

11/20/2012 6:27:26 PM

Papabear

"If the previous conclusion is true, curent cells in all life forms (including humans) must contain unscathed copies of this original genetic material--a copy of a copy duplicated for 3.8 billion years (that's what constitutes life) . Incredible."

Incredible, indeed. That is, your contentions are without credit.


11/20/2012 6:28:36 PM

farpadokly

Fine. Now go on to prove that God, as described in the Bible, exists. How do you know that we weren't seeded here by aliens, or by some sort of Galactus-type super-being? There is as much evidence for that as for God.
As hypotheses these are actually more credible, because they don't include unlikely supernatural content.

11/20/2012 7:24:32 PM

Stonespiral

This is the kind of argument you can expect from someone who just doesn't bother to understand the science.

11/20/2012 8:54:42 PM

Hugh G. Rection


11/20/2012 9:46:35 PM

AbsurdONE

Well, at least he’s closer than that old fart going on about peanut butter, but a miss is as good as a mile, as the saying goes. He’s still wrong.

11/20/2012 10:31:39 PM

J. James

Not accounting for mutations, variation, or evolution, that is exactly correct.

11/20/2012 11:50:26 PM

Mech610



Above is a picture of a hydrothermal vent, also called a 'black smoker', surrounded by various corals and tube worms and crustaceans and fish and the like. They are home to some of the most diverse and lively ecosystems on planet Earth. These things exist today, ignoring your cell duplication bullshit, why wouldn't something similar to this happen when life began and continue happening due to the richness of the environment?

11/21/2012 12:31:27 AM

Nezumi

@Felix Wilde: If I may ask... which part do you mean by "that cell thing"?

11/21/2012 12:44:18 AM

UHM

I'm no biologist, nor very good at science, but you sir, are a fucking moron.

11/21/2012 2:49:32 AM

Swede

The human, and most other animals, begins with an egg-cell and a sperm-cell. Each conception is a mixture of two different sets of DNA's, it's not the same copies over and over again.

You didn't really pay attention in Biology classes, did you?

11/21/2012 3:45:47 AM

Paler_Face

Evo scientists contend that life began 3.8 billion years ago possibly around vents in the bottom of earth's oceans. According to this theory, life began when the first replicating molecules and cells appeared in or aroud these vents. Accordingly, this process is not now going on. It was an anomoly--a one time event?

Maybe. The main difference between the prebiotic earth and after the emergence of life, is that there is now life that feeds on the stuff that could have been used in the emergence of life, and turns it into fecal matter.

If the previous conclusion is true, curent cells in all life forms (including humans) must contain unscathed copies of this original genetic material--a copy of a copy duplicated for 3.8 billion years (that's what constitutes life) . Incredible.

Incredible indeed. No copy is 'unscathed'. Mutations happen all the time. The original is lost to time, and nothing can recreate it again.

3.8 billion years of genetic entropy would most assuredly have doomed life by now!

What is this 'genetic entropy'? Your preconceived idea that a copy is always worse than the original? Not so in biology. Study a bit more evolution, then return here.

11/21/2012 5:53:55 AM

Kuno

The human begins with one cell.

Wrong. As Swede already pointed out, every human being begins with two cells, one egg and one sperm.

So if you couldn’t get even that right, why should we listen to anything you have to say about biology?

11/21/2012 6:28:27 AM

Mister Spak

"One theory of the cause of death says that copying errors occurring in cells eventually (genetic entropy) causes death. "

Another theory of the cause of death says that telomeres get too short. We have tested this theory by artificially lengthening telomeres. The organism lived a long time.

"3.8 billion years of genetic entropy would most assuredly have doomed life by now! "

Except 3.8 billion years of evolution has most assuredly preserved live to the present!

11/21/2012 7:20:05 AM

Noneofyourbusiness

Your second paragraph does not logically follow from your first one.

11/21/2012 7:48:31 AM

Doubting Thomas

One theory of the cause of death says that copying errors occurring in cells eventually (genetic entropy) causes death.

3.8 billion years of genetic entropy would most assuredly have doomed life by now!


Only if you assume that there was only one cell that replicated throughout that 3.8 billion years. However, since you fail to consider evolution and genetic change, you've accidentally made an argument for evolution since there's no way life could continue without it.

11/21/2012 8:22:00 AM
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