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Religious oppression and persecution associated with legalized same-sex "marriage" (SSM) is already underway, and will only increase. Maryland, Maine and Washington state voters affirmed SSM on Election Day. Minnesota rejected a traditional marriage amendment and legislators are acting swiftly to legalize SSM there. Nine states - MD, ME and WA, plus CT, IA, MA, NH, NY, VT and Washington, DC, now allow SSM. While their laws masquerade as religion friendly (pastors are exempted from any requirement to perform same-sex "marriages"), Christian judges and justices of the peace are not exempted. Nor are Christian clerks who must issue "marriage" licenses; notaries who must notarize legal documents, photographers, florists, bakers, wedding venue operators, marriage counselors, lawyers, homeowners who wish to rent out their homes - all of whom will be required to accept, honor and serve same-sex "married" couples without objection - or face lawsuits and fines.

And what about churches? What will your church do when a "married" same-sex couple demands recognition? Have your pastor and church prepared you for such an eventuality? Will you stand on biblical truth? How about you and your family, when your child comes home from school talking about what he or she is being taught? If you as a business owner or employee are told to be complicit in supporting a same-sex "marriage," will you stand for your faith and close your business or ministry, or lose your job? Catholic Charities in Massachusetts closed their 100+ year old adoption ministry rather than comply with the law requiring them to place adoptive children with homosexual couples. These laws are splitting homes, churches, denominations and America, but the worst is ahead. Each of us must decide whether we will obey God or man (Acts 5:29).

Prayer Team, Family Research Council 44 Comments [11/20/2012 5:00:36 PM]
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dpareja

One day, every nation will recognize same-sex marriage as legitimate and on par with heterosexual marriage. On that day, the Family Research Council will still rail against it.

11/20/2012 5:09:30 PM

Filin De Blanc

"Christian judges and justices of the peace are not exempted. Nor are Christian clerks who must issue "marriage" licenses; notaries who must notarize legal documents, photographers, florists, bakers, wedding venue operators, marriage counselors, lawyers, homeowners who wish to rent out their homes - all of whom will be required to accept, honor and serve same-sex "married" couples without objection - or face lawsuits and fines."

Which is no different from how interracial couples are dealt with. When are you going to start complaining about the persecution of people whose religion says that interracial marriage is evil?

11/20/2012 5:28:37 PM

New Face of Rev

Yeah, that's not religious oppression. That's putting a stop to YOUR religious oppression.

11/20/2012 5:37:51 PM

I am the danger.

Your persecution complex is showing. Also, get with the times or bugger off.

11/20/2012 5:52:55 PM

Feral Dog

Actually, churches do have the authority to decide who gets married in them. That's why couples wishing for a Catholic marriage had better hope neither party has a prior marriage- only an annulment through the church or widowhood is a good enough reason to remarry in a Catholic service, otherwise the church isn't supposed to allow the wedding (some of the more liberal Catholic parishes may forgo this rule). Other denominations may require prospective couples to go through some sort of pre-marital class (often using FRC books!). So if your church doesn't want to marry gay couples they already have a precedent, in that they already reserve the right to refuse couples they don't like.

11/20/2012 6:07:23 PM

Papabear

Allowing same-sex marriage is not oppression and persecution of religion. You folks need to get it through your thick skulls that whomever someone else chooses to marry doesn't effect your marriage. No Church is going to be forced to marry any couple their athorities don't want to marry. You're not being forced to marry anyone you don't want to marry, nor are you being forced to perform marriages you don't want in your church. That ends your involvement and cancels any claims of oppression and persecution you may make. Now STFU.

11/20/2012 6:21:47 PM

nazani14

Gays need to do again what they did back when Anita Bryant (Florida orange juice spokewoman) was babbling anti-gay rubbish. Write "gay money" on every bill that passes through their hands. Probably not as effective now that so many shop with credit cards, but still enough to inform people how much gays impact the economy.

11/20/2012 6:22:34 PM

Dr.Shrinker

Ah yes, promoting fear, the go-to tactic for people with nothing to support their prejudices.

To be fair, this person does acknowledge that pastors will not be forced to perform same-sex weddings. I guess they've realized that particular lie wasn't helping them.

11/20/2012 6:24:19 PM

Reckoner

tl;dr How dare they repress our religious freedom by not allowing us to force our religion on others!

11/20/2012 6:53:59 PM

farpadokly

Preventing someone from persecuting and oppressing isn't oppression and persecution.
And if you want to obey God rather than secular law, get out of the United States, which has a secular constitution and separation between church and state.
Go and found a Christian theocracy in South America or somewhere.

11/20/2012 7:13:14 PM

Nagol

Well, if all those people you spoke of are so upset at the prospect of dealing with a gay person maybe they should just shut themselves in their houses. Also, I know this has been said before, but it bears repeating: keeping you from oppressing and persecuting others is not oppression or persecution towards you. Gay right will keep moving forward no matter how much you whine about not being able to force your twisted worldview on others and try to make it look like your the victim.

11/20/2012 7:36:24 PM



Government employees do, in fact have to comply with the laws of the land because they are acting as representatives of the secular government, not their religions. If they refuse to do so, they should lose their jobs or be transferred to another position where their bigotry won't interfere with their job performance.


But you're lying about the photographers, florists, bakers, etc. Private business owners have the right to refuse service to anyone they choose. Landlords must rent to any financially qualified applicant (nudge nudge, wink wink), but that has nothing to do with recognizing anyone's marital status.

11/20/2012 7:50:46 PM

Esquilax

What I love is, whenever fundies make this argument, the answer to gay marriage is never "we'd better change" it's "society had better accommodate us exclusively."

They're like children.

11/20/2012 8:16:34 PM

Old Viking

Naw, not good. I stood on biblical law once. After I killed the third or fourth sinner I encountered I found myself in big trouble.

11/20/2012 8:29:31 PM



It's almost like America is coming out of the dark ages. I feel HOPEFUL for once.

11/20/2012 9:12:57 PM

Frostythesnowman

'And what about churches?' you ask. Well, what about them? The church might dominate your life, but increasing numbers of people are rejecting the bigotry and hatred that you people embrace. The church is losing its hold on society because of people like you. Well done.

11/20/2012 9:32:40 PM

Mike Litoris


11/20/2012 9:39:23 PM



ask yourself something. Do you think a Hindu waiter has the right to refuse to serve customers meat at a restaurant he works at? No, faith does not overrule your job, suck it up and deal with it

11/20/2012 10:21:11 PM

fishtank

"Christian judges and justices of the peace are not exempted." seperation of church and state anyone?

"Nor are Christian clerks who must issue "marriage" licenses" dito

"notaries who must notarize legal documents, photographers, florists, bakers, wedding venue operators, marriage counselors, lawyers, homeowners who wish to rent out their home"

free market, they can just refuse to do business with them.

fuck you.

11/21/2012 2:44:32 AM

UHM

Shouldn't your God forgive you "these sins"? If you don't think so, your God is neither biblical nor Christian.

11/21/2012 2:55:50 AM

Christian Leftie

Businesses and charities are not people, and thus have no right to refuse service based on bigotry (treating people differently based on involuntary membership of a group, rather than based on their actions).

Religious institutions already have the right to reject marriage requests to non-practitioners.

However, this DOES allow religious institutions, including Christian churches, who will happily perform same sex marriages to do so, hence stopping interfering with their religious choices.

11/21/2012 4:59:23 AM

Seeker Lancer

More "persecution means being mad at me for persecuting someone!"

As for the churches, they can do whatever the hell they want. Nobody is forcing them to recognize gay marriage. If they want to do the right thing and be on the right side of history, good for them. If they don't then they just hasten their decline into irrelevance. The point is they don't have to.

11/21/2012 6:14:33 AM

The Crimson Ghost

Want some cheese with your whine?

11/21/2012 7:00:54 AM

Justanotheratheist

How the flying fuck does legalising same sex mariage amount to religious persecution? "I'm not getting my way" is not persecution, you fucking moron.

11/21/2012 7:05:26 AM

Leighton Buzzard

DARVO, NBG, FUBB.

11/21/2012 7:13:37 AM
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