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Altruism, on the contrary, requires each individual to live for the sake of the group, trusting that his or her own needs will be provided for. Altruism typically holds that individual fulfillment occurs through service to others; most religions openly state this, and it is a driving force in socialism and communism, too. Altruism places the survival of the group ahead of the survival of any individual, and this is what enables the repression and slaughter common to extremely altruistic societies. Stalin is generally regarded to have had killed more people than Hitler, and both did it in the name of the group.
The danger of altruism is less obvious in freer countries like the United States, but it is still a powerful force that is a frequent justification for restricting individual rights. It is very typical for city councils to regulate, to a very fine degree, the uses that may be made of every piece of property in the city, all in the name of protecting the citizens. Because altruism puts the group first, it is much easier to pass restrictive laws, and this results in "creeping regulation," where the government passes progressively more intrusive legislation to protect "society." Many environmental laws have altruism as their base justification: they restrict our enjoyment of the earth so that future generations will receive the same planet as we do.

Brian Gordon, Atlas Society 53 Comments [11/22/2012 4:27:22 AM]
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Except that an altruistic person would seek to topple such laws at the risk of their own lives while Randroids like you would be content to worm your way above them, or gladly exploit them to your own ends.

What the hell is in it for regular people if we all lose our minds and pattern our society after your idea of Utopia: a sociopathic free-for-all where even life is quantified in dollars?

11/22/2012 4:41:57 AM


I don't know exactly what Altruism is, but when I see you mention Hitler and Staline I immediatly know you are wrong

11/22/2012 4:45:31 AM

Leighton Buzzard

Being altruistic does not mean you fail to look after yourself, fuckwit.

If you're that unconcerned about regulations on land use, how about I start a shit dump next to your house?

11/22/2012 4:50:57 AM


So your ideal society is selfish, cold and uncaring? All you do is make me want more altruism.

11/22/2012 5:07:08 AM


Hitler and Stalin might have both been mass-murderers, but they most assuredly were no altruists. They were entirely motivated by their own bigotries and whims. Claiming you're doing something "in the name of the group" is not the same as actually meaning it.

11/22/2012 5:09:22 AM


Enforced altruism is not altruism, it is oblgation.
Altruism precludes any obligation to act in the interest of others. Paying to feed your children is not altruism. It is a legal obligation. If you do not feed your child, you might find yourself imprisoned.

11/22/2012 5:12:19 AM


Why is it that randriods always seem to come across as a touch...sociopathic?

11/22/2012 5:13:27 AM

Bad Wolf

@ Danarth
It's not a coincidence...

11/22/2012 5:29:36 AM

Filin De Blanc

Um, wasn't Hitler a social darwinist? Like Randroids are?

11/22/2012 5:49:37 AM


Hitler and Stalin weren't altruists, they followed a collectivist string of ethics that placed low value on a single human life. They were also adherents of ideologies that had "the one single great truth/goal" which to accomplish the loss of one life meant nothing - just like you.

11/22/2012 5:53:38 AM


That's why it's important to find a balance between individualism and communitarianism, to recognise the fact that we are individuals and at the same time social animals that live in groups.
We aren't ants in an anthill and we also aren't sociopaths who can thrive completely alone.
I happen to think you should not be free to economically exploit someone, any more than you should be free to enslave him. The problem with extreme individualism is that it necessarily involves the use of others.

11/22/2012 5:59:44 AM


Your casuistry in making a virtue out of selfishness has gotten pretty damn tedious.

11/22/2012 8:25:34 AM


"Many environmental laws have altruism as their base justification: they restrict our enjoyment of the earth so that future generations will receive the same planet as we do."

Boo hoo! I can't be a selfish fuck all the time!

11/22/2012 8:57:08 AM

Thinking Allowed


11/22/2012 9:17:37 AM


My opinion of this Ayn Rand stuff...

Nuff said!

11/22/2012 9:18:08 AM


"Many environmental laws have altruism as their base justification: they restrict our enjoyment of the earth so that future generations will receive the same planet as we do."

- Do you really think that having clean air and drinkable water do not benefit you? Environmental illness is a current fact Brian, and its tends to restrict one's enjoyment of the earth. This is especially true when it kills you.

Just because something benefits others doesn't mean it can't benefit you too. To respond to this fact by kicking your feet and screaming "But I WANT it!" really doesn't help your argument.

11/22/2012 10:02:52 AM


So we should all suckle at the malignant teat of Ayn Rand or Maggie Thatcher? You're a cunt, your philosophy stinks. Go and live on your own in the woods with the wolves, but don't expect any fucking help when they chew fuck out of you. Arsehole.

11/22/2012 10:27:42 AM

Try to live on your own, and let's see who long you're going to survive.

11/22/2012 10:31:52 AM


Is your point that you don't want some level of altruism in society? Or is it just that you think all attempts at systematizing altruism have thus far failed so we should just stop trying?

Either way, you are a douche.

11/22/2012 10:32:21 AM


Ah, the cry of the Randroid, "don't make me have obligations" while of course wanting all of us to have the obligation to put up with sociopathy distilled into a philosophy, and even enshrine it.

11/22/2012 10:37:42 AM


Altruism - it's in the dictionary. You don't get to change the meaning of words singlehandedly.

11/22/2012 10:39:20 AM


You sure you want to make yourself a pariah of civilized society? I don't foresee a long lifespan.

11/22/2012 11:09:35 AM


> a powerful force that is a frequent justification for restricting individual rights.

...funny how this was brought up, because in the next post down in FSTDT, we have a fundamentalist crying how non-Christians don't have moral code that would prevent them from doing bad things. Is restricting individual rights a good thing or a bad thing?

Yeah, having a moral code that prevents individuals from behaving badly is the Christian thing to do. Unless, of course, the fundies say, the same train of thought leads to secular laws that prevent individuals from behaving badly. Then it's fucking evil.

Make no mistake, fundies always find it's really, really, really inconvenient that altruism is a Christian value no matter how you cut it. Christians are required to do good things for the community, and fundies won't have any of that nonsense.

11/22/2012 11:24:11 AM

Hasan Prishtina

And the Americans who died fighting Hitler and Tojo were fighting in the name of themselves or of a group?

11/22/2012 11:58:15 AM


so you admit to being a selfish asshole and you are proud of it?

Randroids suck.

11/22/2012 12:02:14 PM

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