Quote# 90903

[But go ahead, tell us what sort of beliefs can't be "proven" by science.]

Physics. Forces. Strong nuclear. Weak nuclear. Gravity. Magnetic.

There is force which I call “soul” that can be proven to exist by scientific method. Take a rock and drop it. Physics can predict quite accurately exactly what will happen to the rock.

The rock will obey gravity, land on the floor and remain there until……………

Until what?

Until I walk over and pick it up. I can lift the rock using my own free will/volition.

Physics cannot predict when or EVEN IF I will pick up the rock.

Physics has no name for the unpredictable and VERY REAL force acting upon the matter of my shoulder, my arm, my hand, the rock in the EXACT OPPOSITE DIRECTION of gravity.

It is not hormones – hormones are matter.
It is not brain – brain cells are matter. Matter has no free will.

So what exactly is the name of the force (which acts in a way science cannot predict) that lifts the rock doing the opposite of what gravity intended?

Lion IRC, Atheist Forums 43 Comments [11/22/2012 4:28:12 AM]
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Muscle contraction guided by measurable impulses from the brain which can be duplicated. Several years ago I read about a man in Italy who was grafted with a functional bionic arm that could even receive signals while detached.

Medical science is some cool shit.

11/22/2012 4:33:36 AM

Leighton Buzzard

My dog can pick things up off the floor as well. Does she have a soul, too?

11/22/2012 4:48:34 AM


Physics cannot predict if you will pick up the rock because this has nothing to do with Physics

As for lifting the rock against gravity, it's because the rock is "light" enough for you to lift it

You're not lifting gravity when you lift a rock, but the weight of the rock (relative to gravity, the equation is W (weight) = M (mass) X G (That's gravity in the equation, exprimed in Newtons, 9.80665 m/s2 on Earth)). Dare you tell me it's anormal to lift in the air when it weights around 50 grams or so

11/22/2012 4:55:16 AM


wow.. what a fucking moron!

11/22/2012 5:15:26 AM


Dude, your volition is not some crazy thing that defies physics. Your volition has nothing to do with physics, which concerns itself with measurable, PHYSICAL forces.

However, I'm sure there are plenty of psychiatrists who might be interested in why you keep throwing that rock. ;)

11/22/2012 5:24:52 AM


"Physics cannot predict when or EVEN IF I will pick up the rock."

Not yet. In the future, who knows? Determinism and quantum mechanics and... stuff...
The brain's mechanisms are still governed by the laws of physics. It's just that those mechanisms are extremely complex. But, in any case, this has absolutely nothing to do with gravity. You picking the rock up is a totally separate event to the rock falling to the floor. You can't say that gravity can't be proven by physics just because you've added an odd hypothetical future event to an observation of it. If I eat a cheese sandwich after an occurrence of nuclear fission, I have not thrown a spanner in the works into physicists' understanding of nuclear fission. You need to read a book on physics. And also one on philosophy.

11/22/2012 5:25:53 AM


This is called dualism. A good argument against it is to remove or damage the brain of a subject and see how it effects his free will, and his ability to pick things up. After all, they're just brain cells, and brain cells are just matter, so it shouldn't effect his will or his decision-making.

11/22/2012 5:48:20 AM


11/22/2012 5:57:48 AM


Is it not energy released when ATP has a P removed and becomes ADP?

11/22/2012 5:59:15 AM

Hugh G. Rection

I once picked up a hooker in Thailand. Wrap that rascal. Trust me on this.

11/22/2012 7:11:56 AM


You may as well claim volcanoes have a soul while you're at it. It would make the same amount of sense.

11/22/2012 7:15:03 AM


If that kind of shameless stupidity were painful, people like you would die out.

You wouldn't be missed.

11/22/2012 7:18:47 AM


Two out of three bald girls in the swimming pool say you'll do it.

Since the rock has no free will, your use of the word, "obey" is in error and contradicts your statement, "matter has no free will."

Your argument is word salad with ignorant dressing. Thanks for playing, better luck next time.

11/22/2012 7:19:58 AM


"So what exactly is the name of the force (which acts in a way science cannot predict) that lifts the rock doing the opposite of what gravity intended?"

No 'force', just a complex interplay of biochemistry and biophysics.

Next question...

11/22/2012 8:48:14 AM

Thinking Allowed

11/22/2012 9:14:48 AM

Computer guided machines can pick up rocks. They must have souls as well.

11/22/2012 11:02:08 AM


I can watch squirrels pick up acorns outside. Do they not have souls?

11/22/2012 11:14:39 AM



And after Fluttershy has used her Massage-Fu on that polar bear to relieve it of the cunt-brained fundie-induced psychological stress*, please let Twilight Sparkle join you in that sentiment:

*- PROTIP: 'Stressed' spelled backwards is Desserts. That's Pinkie Pie's department...! :9 X3

11/22/2012 11:39:27 AM


I see someone flunked physics.

11/22/2012 11:54:26 AM


So what exactly is the name of the force (which acts in a way science cannot predict) that lifts the rock doing the opposite of what gravity intended?

my own free will/volition

You answered your own question. It still does not count as scientific proof for the existence of souls however.

Wouldn't a soul be hard for science to prove anyway? It being in the realm of the spiritual rather than the physical.

11/22/2012 1:17:21 PM


Gravity doesn't intend anything. Gravity is an active force.

Physics deals with the applications of forces, not whether or not we choose to apply them.

So in the case of picking up the rock, physics isn't concerned with why you pick up the rock (that may be psychology), but rather with the mechanics of the action of picking up rocks...

11/22/2012 1:54:48 PM


It's really sad that this acutally makes sense to lion.

11/22/2012 3:20:46 PM

Seeker Lancer

Something that doesn't exist can't be proven by science.

That's because it DOESN'T EXIST.

11/22/2012 5:05:38 PM


People with damage to specific parts of their brain often undergo changes in intelligence and basic personality that are so radical that they might as well be different people.

Regardless of whether some part of the human consciousness that is capable of outlasting its physical brain actually exists, you are, at this moment, a fully-biological entity that rigidly adheres to the laws of physics, chemistry and biology, and is affected by them in turn. You are no more independent of the universe in which you dwell than a cat, a jellyfish, a stone or the Sun. Physics could give a damn whether or not you pick up the rock--it only concerns itself with whether it is actually possible for you to do so or not.

11/22/2012 6:43:24 PM

Dunning-Kruger Syndrome, hard at work.

11/22/2012 8:11:24 PM

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