To paraphrase Stan Marsh... Dude, they have sex with children. That's fucked up.
Big difference between an act done by two consenting adults and the same act done by a young boy and an authority figure who they're taught from an early age to obey at all times.
11/24/2012 9:54:03 AM
homosexuality =/= paedophilia
11/24/2012 9:59:54 AM
Filin De Blanc
I'm not opposed to homosexual behaviour in the priesthood, I'm opposed to pedophilic behaviour in the priesthood. Learn the difference.
11/24/2012 10:08:28 AM
Rabbit of Caerbannog
Oh yeah, the Catholic Church that actively opposes the fundamental rights of gays, lesbians and bisexuals, as well as the vital reproduction rights of women everywhere. Yes, that Catholic Church has been infiltrated by liberals. St. Gilbert, why don't you go make something useful of yourself--perhaps a martyr?
11/24/2012 10:10:15 AM
Raping children is a crime, moron. Homosexuality is not. Learn the difference.
11/24/2012 10:31:24 AM
Uh, no. You have everything wrong. Everything.
11/24/2012 10:33:46 AM
You seem to confuse the mutual consent for sex between two adults with the abuse of children. Then of course you have the "false witness" thing about lying and moving the pedophile to a new parish so they dont face police investigations.
11/24/2012 10:41:49 AM
Paedophilia is the rape of children, homosexuality is consenting sex between adults of the same gender. It really isn't that hard a concept to grasp.
Most people do not have a problem with gay priests, it's the kiddie-fiddlers that we find disgusting along with the priestly hierarchy who knowingly ignored the actions of the paedophiles or just moved them to a different parish to sweep the problem under the carpet.
11/24/2012 10:45:13 AM
The priesthood attracts pedophiles because it gives an environment with lots of unsupervised access to children. Elementary school teaching and pediatric medicine would do the same thing, except that those professions are very closely regulated.
Ignoring the problem would not make it go away. It has been there a long time, and will take a lot of reformation to get ride of.
11/24/2012 10:52:26 AM
No, the cause of the sexual abuse crisis in the Church is very likely the same thing YOU champion in the broader society:
1) The institutionally repressed priests wield an immense amount of power over the laity with no checks or balances
2) The RC hierarchy works to protect itself from scandal, and has demonstrated a willingness to use bribery, intimidation and deceit in order to do so
3) The RC church relies on unthinking, unquestioning pundits (like you Gilbert) to deflect attention from its abuses when the tactics named above fail
That's a formula for abuse in ANY group, religious, political, corporate or familial. It doesn't matter how liberal or conservative said group is because abuse is about the misuse of power, not sexual fulfillment and NOT politics! Yes Gilbert, this liberal can connect the dots. You, on the other hand, receive a completed picture from your church masters and squeal, "look what I did!"
11/24/2012 10:52:36 AM
Few - especially non-Catholics - would give a darn if priests were homosexuals, as long as they confined their activities to consenting adults. Some may believe that homosexual behavior is wonderful, but you'd find a hard time finding someone who thinks pedophilia is wonderful.
As for liberalizing the RCC's attitude toward married priests, when you require celibacy, you're bound to self-select for people with sexual aberrations. Some may be harmless, such as asexuality. Others may be despicable, such as pedophilia. Some may merely be taboo among one's church, community or family, like homosexuality. This is not to say that every priest is asexual, gay or a pedophile. But it's probably statistically more likely to be found there than in the general public, simply because heterosexuals with a healthy sex drive are less likely to accept a lifetime of celibacy than those who don't want either "socially acceptable" sex or any sex at all.
11/24/2012 11:01:08 AM
Since Gays and Liberals aren't the ones raping altar boys, it's rather difficult to lay the blame on them wouldn't you say?
And who keeps trying to cover up these crimes? HMMMM?
11/24/2012 11:51:28 AM
comparing homosexuality to paedophilia = self-inflicted ignorant, bigotry
11/24/2012 12:18:07 PM
St. Gilbert the Willfully Blind; pray to him if your blinders aren't on tightly enough.
11/24/2012 12:30:00 PM
Yeah, we all pine for the good ol' days when sexual abuse and family violence could be swept under the rug. Damn those liberals.
11/24/2012 12:52:40 PM
I've known, and know, gay priests
they don't fuck little boys
11/24/2012 1:09:00 PM
Do you know the difference between consensual sex between two adults and predators forcing sex on children you fucking titwit?
11/24/2012 1:32:04 PM
pedophilia does not equal homose....
11/24/2012 2:20:23 PM
Liberalism, that caused the problem in the first place.
No, the problem has been around forever.
Liberalism allowed the problem to become public.
Thank you liberalism.
11/24/2012 2:49:02 PM
I knew something was causing priests to diddle boys. So it's liberalism, you say?
11/24/2012 4:15:11 PM
Despite what NAMBLA and Tumblr wouldhave you believe, gay=/=pedo. I can see how you'd get confused if you hang out with the creepier side of fandom, but everyone else knows they're crazy.
11/24/2012 4:44:52 PM
The sex abuse scandal, for starters, has been going on for centuries. We've only recently started to give a crap because of liberals creating more social justice.
You see, the scandal's far too complex to blame liberals or homosexuals or even just pedophile priests. Vatican II was created as way to appear more liberal, but it was also the same time the Thomas Movement kicked off. Named so for Thomas Aquinas, a famous conservative Christian theologian who espoused concepts such as celibacy and no women priests. Also, the Church still refuses to advance with the modern about contraception and sex education. Combine the anti-sex and anti-modern stances with the fact that priests start seminary school around 14 (re: puberty).
This stunts these boys' psychological growth as the only know that sex is evil, women are the mysterious "other", and that seminary school actively discourages any friendships within seminary. You basically get a 30-year-old manchild who's supposed to be far wiser and holier-than-thou leading an entire group of people whim whom he has no way of connecting with.
TL;DR - While some priests may become priests because they're pedophiles, most of the scandal is the Vatican's fault.
@edit: Dr. Shrinker beat me to this. I should read the thread first.
11/24/2012 5:27:23 PM
Consenting adults are a far fucking cry from coerced children.
How can you people not see the difference? You compare apples to aardvarks but can't for the life of you see the similarity of one rotton apple in another.
11/24/2012 6:23:37 PM
Why do these wingnuts think raping kids is okay but being gay is not? Paedophilia actually causes REAL, and usually permanent, physical and emotional harm to children. Being gay, on the other hand, doesn't cause any harm in any form (as long as you don't do it with anyone that has HIV/AIDS).
11/24/2012 6:29:23 PM
= POPE =
"Were it not for Liberalism infiltrating the Church (by design), the scandal would never have occurred."
Cesare Borgia was a liberal.
11/24/2012 6:33:46 PM