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I don't believe that global warming is happening. I don't believe that humans can destroy a globe that they didn't create.

Besides, after the entire history of the universe (only 6K years), how much damage could we have done?

Khristeeanos, 123 Christian Forums 24 Comments [1/18/2006 12:00:00 AM]
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#11070

The Last Conformist

I didn't create my brother, so if I hit him in the head with a rock, that couldn't kill him. Right?

1/18/2006 4:15:48 PM

#11072

Blurb

In other words; Fuck the future! I'll bet this idiot has lots of oil company stock.

1/18/2006 4:18:32 PM

#11073

David D.G.

1. We don't have to \"destroy\" the entire globe, Krypton-style, to make it uninhabitable, or even just terribly unhealthy for us. And we are more than capable of doing that; heck, we ARE doing it, in multiple ways.

2. Actually, it isn't even 6,000 years of damage that's dangerous -- just the last few hundred, but it's accelerating much faster than the planet's ability to absorb it and re-equalize.

3. Also, I have to wonder, on the basis of the second comment, whether the poster is simply a troll. If not, he's delusional about far broader aspects of reality than just global warming. (I once knew an elderly woman who chided her granddaughter for recycling on the grounds that the so-called need for recycling was a communist plot -- in the 1990s -- and she was completely serious. For some people, caring about nature seems to be quite unnatural.)

~David D.G.

1/18/2006 4:26:41 PM

#11076

Aesmael

I have a globe in my room, one I did not create. I am willing to bet quite a bit that I could destroy it if I wanted to.

Well, not that actual globe (I'm fond of that one), but I could get a new one and destroy it.

1/18/2006 4:43:10 PM

#11093

Dragon

How much damage have we done? Are you joking? Do you know nothing?
Wait, nevermind, I forgot you were being serious.

1/18/2006 6:55:22 PM

#11099

Jeremy

David: He's not a troll. He's a MODERATOR on the board.

1/18/2006 8:13:49 PM

#11100

David D.G.

Jeremy: Oh, good grief. So much for that faint hope.

~David D.G.

1/18/2006 8:22:55 PM

#11107

ssdexecutor

Not believing something is happening always makes it not happen, right?

1/18/2006 10:05:51 PM

#11109

Crosis

I'm not sure about global warming either (the climate is a chaotic system, so we can't make any long-range predictions with much accuracy at all), but we certainly can destroy what we didn't create.

And then there's the silliness of the \"6K years\" bit.

1/18/2006 10:34:28 PM

#11112

The Last Conformist

*Weather* is a chaotic system. Climate isn't.

1/18/2006 11:01:33 PM

#11119

Luffy

Few things piss me off more than the recent fundie craze of saying we need to destroy this beautiful world because God gave it to us to use up before he returns. If God is real, this is his gift to us. If your dad got you a car for Christmas, would you slash its tires and beat the windows in with a hammer because you think he wants you to use it up?

1/19/2006 1:44:36 AM

#11122

Julian

*And curse your leader for having the same opinion*

- How much damage can we do? Let's see the Middle East used to be called the fertile crescent and it used to be fertile. Religion and animal sacrifices to let the crops grow instead of crop rotation (which religion banned) turned it into a desert.

As for the rest of it. Was it Beziers that had over a hundred thousand people in it, some had converted to Christianity and some hadn't. When the crusades retook it, they wanted to kill the heathens as God instructed, but they didn't know how to tell the Christians and heathens apart. Their solution \"Kill them all and let God sort them out.\"

When people with access to nuclear weapons have this attitude we're are in deep shit!

1/19/2006 1:59:54 AM

#11125

Julian

And for those of you scratching the head about the 6K reference.

An Irish theologian counted the begats and ages of the begatters from the bible and counted 62 generations between Adam and Jesus and concluded the world was created in 4004 BC.

A lot of antievolutionists will swear on their life that the world is exactly 6009 years old.

*shakes head - head butts desk in despair*

1/19/2006 2:02:46 AM

#11161

Crosis

<<< *Weather* is a chaotic system. Climate isn't. >>>

To some extent, at least, it is. We don't know how to predict even major trends with all that much accuracy. There are so many factors involved that it's damn near impossible - remember, it was only a few decades ago that most thought we were headed for a new Ice Age. Ocean currents, the extent of plant life, atmospheric content, surface properties, and a whole host of other things that we simply can't reliably predict would have significant impact. This isn't to say it's nothing we need to concern ourselves with; to the extent that we can guess what sort of impact we're likely to see, we should try not to mess things up too much. But it's far from an exact science.

1/19/2006 6:19:49 AM

#11218

TDR

global warming as a major event for a long period in the future may be up in the air, but I think we can all take a glance at New Orleans and see the effects of the warmer oceans.

1/19/2006 9:08:48 PM

#11240

Crosis

<<< global warming as a major event for a long period in the future may be up in the air, but I think we can all take a glance at New Orleans and see the effects of the warmer oceans. >>>

The effect that is likely (at least in part) responsible for the insane hurricane season - a change in the flow of one of the major ocean currents around the Gulf - is cyclical. It happens every few decades, resulting in much warmer water in the Gulf. Not coincidentally, hurricane season itself seems to follow a similar cycle - a decade or two of below-average activity, followed by a decade or two of above-average activity.

There are so many factors involved that it's damn near impossible to separate human impact from the natural cycles. This doesn't mean we should ignore our effect, but it does mean it's almost impossible to tell what our effect really is.

1/19/2006 11:15:00 PM

#11309

Julian

Actually Crosis - if you look at the temperature graphs for the last 2,000 years (amazing what you can learn from ice cores) it looks a bit like this. _______|

It's not that marked at the moment, but some models that factor in global dimming and a few other factors can have annual global temperatures rising by as much as 10 degrees by the end of the century. Last time that happened 95% of life on earth died out in a mass extinction and it took 20 or so million years for dinosaurs to become the dominant life form.

1/20/2006 11:33:57 AM

#11325

Crosis

I'm not saying it isn't happening. I don't claim to be able to predict that warming will end or continue. What I am saying is that both the degree to which it's our fault and what can be done about it are unclear. Relying on the strong hurricane season as an indicator, as TDR did, is a mistake because there are natural cycles that have a significant influence on the situation. There are simply too many variables to know what the effect of any one is (to the extent of a true controlled experiment, at least).

1/20/2006 3:33:56 PM

#11350

Darth Wang

The Earth is 4.5 BILLION years old, numbnuts.

1/20/2006 5:32:37 PM

#11378

ez-c

<<...how much damage could we have done?>>

I suggest forcing Khristeeanos to live next to a landfill. The sights and smells might be enough to get him to understand what humans can do to this planet.

1/20/2006 7:51:00 PM

#11379

Kat

Haha sweet! My submission was posted. It's scary to think that not only is this asshat a moderator of that forum, but is from the same city as I am.

Oh, there was a struggling woman who asked how she should explain her parents' divorce to her daughter. Khristeeanos told this woman that her mother was a \"bad person\" and that for the sake of her child, she needed to sever all ties with her mother because she is an unrepentent adulteress because she remarried. What a tool.

1/20/2006 8:07:32 PM

#11433

ToT

How much damage could one do to this guy after 6K years alone, in a closed room, armed with a baseball bat?

1/21/2006 1:50:21 PM

#11565

Az

We're due another ice age in another couple thousand years anyway. With any luck the global warming will cancel that out somewhat. I have no desire to see Europe covered in a mile of ice.

1/23/2006 10:18:42 AM

#33951

Danger Danger

6K years??? Motherfucker, there are civilizations that have lasted about 8 or 9K or so years, maybe much more than that!! Don't mindfuck this whole world with your religious based myths and hysteria, Khristeeanos, because it won't work on me or anyone.

5/7/2006 11:04:29 PM