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"Science runs on an established methodology and standard of practice."

Right ... that's why it changes with the weather, doesn't it?

How many times has the Periodic Table of the Elements been changed? how many times does this 'established methodology and standard of practice' add, delete, or modify a previous 'established methodology and standard of practice'?

AV1611VET, Christian Forums 35 Comments [11/27/2012 12:23:39 AM]
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Wehpudicabok

The methodology never changes.

The actual information regarding the Periodic Table hasn't changed much either. The properties of a few elements are known with greater precision; minor changes caused mostly by increasingly accurate equipment. The only major changes are that very heavy elements have only recently been named.

Ironic that a science denier should bring up the weather....

11/27/2012 12:32:02 AM

J. James

In point of fact, the periodic table has only been rearranged or added to. The elements themselves are not subject to the whims or fads of a scientist's fancy.

The same goes for many other strong theories- a strong theory tends to have mostly additions as more proof is gathered, and any revisions or contradictory evidence are either incorporated into the explanation, or they are relatively minor, not affecting the overall standing of the theory as a whole.

This whole process is a Good Thing. It is a living, functional theory with explanatory powers and the ability to predict(gaps in the table were later filled with stunning accuracy). It is not the fossilized, desiccated dogma you are familiar with.

Not that I'd expect you to understand that.

11/27/2012 12:32:22 AM

Apatheist

Needs to look up the word methodology.

11/27/2012 12:58:06 AM

Passerby

Every time new information is observed and any time existing information must be updated, corrected, or expanded on.

How often do you write your diary? Does adding new entries and looking back on past mistakes with a different perspective on the actions you've taken mean you're doing this whole life thing wrong?

No, but what you just said is a pretty good indicator you fail at it for other reasons.

11/27/2012 1:54:45 AM

chaosof99

Science is not what the weather is. It's how you find out what the weather is going to be. And since the weather changes due to circumstances, the weather changes, but that doesn't mean that the way you found what is going to be changed.

11/27/2012 2:08:54 AM



really?


11/27/2012 2:11:28 AM

anti-nonsense

the methodology itself is a constant, individual hypotheses and theories may be altered, or scrapped entirely to accommodate new findings, but the basic methodology by which those hypotheses are derived does not change. That is why science is better then religion, it can adapt to new discoveries, whereas religion just tries to pretend they don't exist.

11/27/2012 2:14:33 AM

chaosof99

@#1474514

Indeed, truth is constant. Our understanding of the truth is (un)fortunately not, and thus it requires constant revision.

11/27/2012 2:50:35 AM

anevilmeme

So much fail in so few words.

11/27/2012 3:40:23 AM

freako104

AV1611VET saying he doesn't understand science. Nothing new

11/27/2012 3:48:33 AM

Hasan Prishtina

Changing methodology - in fact pretty constant since the Scientific Revolution - doesn't change half as much as fundamentalists' basic theology, prophecies about politics and natural disasters, views of the End Times etc.

11/27/2012 3:58:35 AM

Ebon

It doesn't change any more than your "revealed Biblical truth" does.

11/27/2012 4:08:51 AM

Creedence Leonore Gielgud


11/27/2012 4:13:01 AM

farpadokly

You change things because new information comes along. The methodology doesn't change.

11/27/2012 4:18:28 AM

Woody

For f**ks sake, how stupid can a person be, oh it's AV1611VET. How does so much stupidity remember to breathe let alone operate a keyboard? It is beyond me.

11/27/2012 4:43:31 AM

Reynardine

Science is a method. What the method uncovers develops over time, and the only way Mendeleyev's table has "changed" is that predicted elements have been replaced by actual elements as they were discovered.

11/27/2012 5:05:26 AM

Mister Spak

It happens continuously. that's why science gets superior results. Fundieism remains the same for centuries, which is why it gets such inferior results.

For example science is getting postcards from Mars, while fundies are saying the world is flat.

11/27/2012 7:33:41 AM

The Crimson Ghost

I missed this guy!

I love it when fundies try to talk all "sciency"; helps to illustrate just how clueless they really are.

11/27/2012 7:59:13 AM

Doubting Thomas

If science never changes, the periodic table of elements would just have earth, wind, fire, and water. Consequently we'd also still be living in caves and trying to kill animals with sticks.

I just don't get the conservative mindset which believes that it's wrong to change your mind if new evidence is found. I know Christianity demands an unquestioning faith and unchanging belief, but for some reason they just can't understand that that's not how science works.

11/27/2012 8:25:15 AM

dionysus

How many times has the Periodic Table of the Elements been changed?

Not that often, actually. Most of the time it's updated to add newly discovered elements. But even if it was completely revamped every single day that doesn't mean that the old versions were completely wrong. More likely it means that they were either lacking some newly discovered information or the current information is being presented in a different way. Now, sometimes science finds that it was completely or mostly wrong about something but generally it tends to build on existing knowledge because the existing knowledge is usually good, just incomplete.

11/27/2012 8:44:32 AM

Thinking Allowed

Should I even bother to correct AV1611VET about why the periodic table has changed.

11/27/2012 9:19:19 AM

Skyknight

@Chaosof99: And there we see the problem. To the fundamentalists (maybe authoritarian followers in general?), truth is inherently obvious. Because it's true, it does not NEED to be interpreted. In fact, it SHOULD NOT be interpreted, but taken in as is. (Wait, this is starting to sound like one or two anarcho-primitivists' views of nature as well...Authoritarianism with nature itself as the admittedly-blind archon?)

To such ones, if you're trying to peer or interpret, you're doing it wrong. Truth and revelation know nothing of metaphor, only eternal fixity.

11/27/2012 9:51:26 AM

Osiris

The Periodic Table changes each time we discover a new element. That's how it was designed. Dimitri Mendeleeve invented the table with the expressed idea that it would be added onto because he wasn't arrogant enough to presume that the handful of known elements of his day was all there was to find in the world.

You mock people for changing with the weather AVET, so do you still go outside in nothing but your swim trunks in the middle of a blizzard?

11/27/2012 10:38:17 AM

Sasha

Established methodologies and standards of practice do not change unless someone gets a better idea. Science is all about better ideas.

Remember that for fundies, change is a sign of weakness, because it means you were wrong. Never changing your mind is a sign of strength, which is why they consider blind faith a virtue even in the face of contradictory evidence. Hence creationism.

11/27/2012 10:44:11 AM

Seeker Lancer

Yes because science runs on established methodology and standard practice it changes. It's precisely why it changes.

You're almost there, just a little further... aw who am I kidding you have no idea.

11/27/2012 11:55:05 AM
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