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Giving the vote to women in 1920, and children in the 1971, has transformed the vote from something that a man did with the understanding of his responsibility, to a form of “personal expression” or communication with the cool crowd.

Ann Barnhardt once made on her blog a strong case against women’s suffrage (her blog posts aren’t searchable or linkable, so you’d have to email her for it). One of the points she made was that when it was one man, one vote, it was really “one family, one vote”. Back then it was normal to be more-or-less an adult by age 21, and typically a voter was thinking about how his vote would affect the future for his family. A major reason the Democrats supported women’s suffrage was to reduce the power of families. With men usually voting for the intellectual reasons of the conservative and women usually voting for the emotional appeals of the liberal, families canceled each other out and an enormous amount of political power was transferred to the young, single, and stupid. The 26th amendment just made this worse.

Perhaps it is silly to be talking about suffrage two days after our republic has had its final election, but this is food for thought when we re-build new civilization(s) out of the rubble. Men (adult men) (who are married to women) (and are fathers) have a duty (not an unfair “privilege”) to take the lead in our families and in the nation.

joeclark77, John C. Wright's Journal 42 Comments [11/27/2012 4:34:24 AM]
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11/27/2012 10:46:46 AM

Hasan Prishtina

"Giving the vote to women in 1920, and children in the 1971, has transformed the vote from something that a man did with the understanding of his responsibility, to a form of “personal expression” or communication with the cool crowd"

How do you "communicate with the cool crowd" through a secret ballot?

11/27/2012 11:15:16 AM

Hasan Prishtina

"One of the points she made was that when it was one man, one vote, it was really “one family, one vote”."

Except for the large number of families headed by women, especially widows, and those with adult children and other adult males living in the same household.

"A major reason the Democrats supported women’s suffrage was to reduce the power of families."

1) Learn how the Constitution works - you need bipartisan support for a constitutional amendment. Especially as when the Nineteenth Amendment passed both houses were in Republican control.
2) When the Nineteenth Amendment passed, fifteen states already had full suffrage. At the next presidential elections in 1920, all of them voted for the Republican Harding.
3) Only seven states did not permit women any form of suffrage when the Nineteenth Amendment passed. Of these, four voted Democratic in 1920.
4) The Republican candidate Harding was elected in 1920 with the overwhelming support of American women.

"With men usually voting for the intellectual reasons of the conservative and women usually voting for the emotional appeals of the liberal"

Male, intellectual reasons - the economy, decent standard of living, security at home and abroad
Female, emotional appeals - the economy, decent standard of living, security at home and abroad

"an enormous amount of political power was transferred to the young, single, and stupid."

1) when was suffrage restricted to the married?
2) as for the stupid, I have to agree - joeclark77 is one of the enfranchised.

"Men (adult men) (who are married to women) (and are fathers) have a duty (not an unfair “privilege”) to take the lead in our families and in the nation."

Another douche who can't stand the Constitution. If you don't like our laws, then get out.

11/27/2012 11:16:33 AM

Seeker Lancer

Except the case for "one family" vote is fucking stupid. Everyone deserves the right to their own opinion, not a "family" opinion where the man has veto power.

11/27/2012 11:48:51 AM

Draken

intellectual reasons of the conservative and ... the emotional appeals of the liberal

Methinks it is mostly the scientifically-minded liberals who use reason and evidence.

And what the heck is the point of a blog that can't be searched or linked?

11/27/2012 12:05:07 PM



Yeah, that whole, "women aren't capable of logic and are ruled by their emotions and feelings" bullshit didn't stop us from getting the vote in 1920, so you should probably give it up already.

Not to mention, your male "logic" prompted you to vote for Reagan, two Bushes, McCain and Palin, and Romney/Ryan, so STFU.

And when you're using your Social Security and Medicare, say thank you to the women who helped vote it in for you.

11/27/2012 2:02:54 PM



when did children get to vote ?
you mean when they changed the age of majority to 18 instead of 21 or 25 ?

11/27/2012 2:31:08 PM

SpukiKitty

CHILDREN? Those 18 year olds are pretty big tykes with their boobs, body hair, voice changes & consensual sex lives!


D'awwww look at this tiny widdle pre-schooler!

(I have no idea this model's real age. I just grabbed a stock 'teen guy' image from Google so bear with me....)

Also, it seems fundies only consider teens "adult" & marriage-worthy if they're girls & the fundies have the hots for them.

11/27/2012 3:01:45 PM

cdcdrr

Why is this guy projecting liberalism on the Democratic party of the 20's? Both parties have taken turns being either progressive or conservative. Going that far back, both are unrecogniseable. Wilson being an ass headed bigot by modern standards.

But I guess that living this far back in the past, it makes more sense to joe.

11/27/2012 3:12:29 PM

tmarcl

@dionysus

And since when does the father automatically speak for the entire family? If the mother and the sons and daughters of voting age are all liberal and the father is conservative then how exactly is he representing the family by voting conservative?

Or better yet, the reverse? I'm sure joeclark would appreciate those extra votes if the father is going to vote liberal.

@SpukiKitty

(I have no idea this model's real age. I just grabbed a stock 'teen guy' image from Google so bear with me....)

It might be because I'm nearing 40, but he definitely looks like a kid to me, as opposed to an adult. I'm not saying he is, I'm just saying I'm getting old.

11/27/2012 5:38:05 PM

CharlieE

I'd give the vote to white, college educated people over the age of 25 exclusively.

The Republicans would never take the White House again.

11/27/2012 7:48:49 PM



Odd. It seems you determine your manhood not on your own worth but by a set of milestones you appear emotionally detatched from. Family seems a mere accessory to acknowledgement as a man rather than an actual desire of your own and yet without these you feel you are less than nothing. Interesting how all three items in parenthesis involve wielding what you feel should be automatic respect and authority over others, as though you know you're incapable of either on your own merits.

What a hollow, quietly terrifying life you must lead.

11/27/2012 11:39:35 PM



I predicted this. Okay, I predicted an elected Republican would say this before November 6th, but...

11/28/2012 2:37:53 AM

Swede

Children have the right to vote in the US? Joey, how come you don't believe that women vote with "the understanding of her responsibility"? How is a confidential vote a "communication with the cool crowd"?

What's the point of a blog if people have to e-mail her to read the texts? We usually call that an "e-mail", not a blog. Why would the consideration of the future of the family be less because women vote? Women have families too, ya know. Democrats also have families, stupid.

Citation very much needed for the assertions that men are more intellectual than women, that women are more emotional than men, that men are more conservative than women and that women are more liberal than men. On my desk by five, please. My dad is more left-wing than my mother, my brother is more left-wing than me. Btw, we are talking real left-wing here, Joey-boy, not the center-right of Liberals.

You will have many more elections, dolt, as long as the religious right doesn't seize power and remove your rights to vote. It's mostly the ultra-right or the ultra-left who seize power, not the center. I don't think a single Liberal in history has removed any rights; they are usually for extending rights to more people.

Not all adult men have wives or children, stupid, some want neither, some have husbands, some have "bonus-kids".

11/28/2012 3:31:12 AM

Alleigh

1. Women and young adults voting in no way takes away voting power from "the family." To the contrary, it does precisely the opposite. What if you have a family with a father, mother, and 3 young adult daughters, who all have Republican views (the only ones worth having, naturally). If only men can vote, that's 1 Republican vote. If all men and women over 18 can vote, that's 5 Republican votes, also known as five times as many. You're just mad because sometimes people in the same family have different political views.

2. The voting age was lowered to 18 for a reason. If you can get drafted at 18, you should sure as hell be allowed to vote. Even aside from that (especially since the draft isn't currently active), an 18 year old is legally considered an adult and can do anything except drink alcohol--get married, sign contracts, have a full time job (that requires special permissions under 18), and all kinds of other neat things that 17 year olds can't legally do...like vote.

3. Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't Ann Barnhardt be a woman? May I just say, I absolutely loathe hearing woman argue about how women shouldn't have rights. It's bad enough when men do it, but seriously, woman, shut up. If it weren't for all those pesky women's rights you hate so much, you wouldn't be allowed to publicly declare how much you hate women's rights. Stop using them to complain about them. It's like writing a blog about how evil the internet is.

12/1/2012 1:12:47 AM

Cuneas

Holy FUCK, you're insane!

12/1/2012 1:56:50 AM

Tempus

The authoritarian far right is angry--angrier, anyway--but it's more than that.

See, they're starting to get comfortable. Just a little bit at a time, they're slowly starting to become more comfortable showing themselves as who and what they really are. They're starting to mumble about restricting the vote back to male property owners more or less openly, about disenfranchising women and minorities, about actively suppressing votes to get the candidates they want in. They're actively calling half the US parasites and moochers, and they're actually calling for their leaders to scuttle the country altogether, purge it of such undesirables and start over from the beginning. They're enraged over pretty much the entire past century of our history, and bit by bit, they're getting comfortable with the idea of an armed, bloody revolution to reverse it. No matter what the cost in human lives.

And they're slowly getting louder.

12/1/2012 3:17:43 AM
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