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[re: Jesus being the writer of Epistle to the Hebrews]

There is no other plausible author. Do you suggest any? The author had to be highly proficient in both the Greek language and Hebrew culture and scriptures, and capable of writing or dictating a flawless essay. Only Jesus meets those conditions.

Andy Schlafly, Conservapedia 54 Comments [11/27/2012 4:35:44 AM]
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Osiris

Or anyone who traded between Judea and Greece, which during the height of the Roman Empire, would have been a good number of people.

11/27/2012 10:33:30 AM

Joel

I could think of one other person besides Jesus who could have written the Epistle of St. Paul to the Hebrews.

If only I could remember his name. Perhaps it's in the title.

11/27/2012 11:03:14 AM

Seeker Lancer

Jesus was proficient in Greek now? Is that how they go about explaining why the bible was written in Greek instead of Aramaic?

These hoops are getting sillier and sillier.

11/27/2012 11:24:15 AM

Filin De Blanc

"I could think of one other person besides Jesus who could have written the Epistle of St. Paul to the Hebrews."

I thought it was Paul as well but apparently the authorship is unknown (at least according to the sane people's wiki encyclopedia).

11/27/2012 11:31:09 AM

Hasan Prishtina

So, the only people who can speak and write in more than one language, who know more than one culture and more than one set of scriptures are divine? You have one heck of a lot of people to worship, Andy.

11/27/2012 11:37:33 AM

JGC

Plus he can do it while DEAD, given that Hebrews was written 3 decades after his reported crucifixion.

11/27/2012 12:05:08 PM

myheadhurts

Just about any Jewish person of the time would have spoken multiple languages and understood their culture. Kind of like today when so many speak English yet keep customs and tongues from Mexico, China, Russia, etc. etc. etc.

11/27/2012 2:08:00 PM

werewolf

Coulda sworn he spoke Spanish.

11/27/2012 2:40:56 PM

Old Viking

Jesus's autobiography, "I Didn't Mean to Cause All This Confusion," is certainly stylistically graceful. The language, neither Greek, Hebrew nor Aramaic, has been identified by scholars as "Stick Figuremaic."

11/27/2012 2:45:04 PM

Thrutch

This is Andy Schafly who relies on Google "Translate" who has not spent years studying the oldest texts, knows nothing of paleography or linguistic analysis, yet now he knows better than all Church scholars living or dead.

I wonder if Andy knows the meaning of the word hubris

11/27/2012 3:13:05 PM

xyz

But I thought Jesus went back to heaven? Did he or is what the Bible says about him going back to heaven false?

Typical Conservapedia gibberish.

11/27/2012 3:55:24 PM

checkmate

Wow, total history fail in this thread, not only from Schlafly, but from a lot of the posters.

Americans are used to being monolingual (in some cases even less), but many cultures are inherently polyglott, by necessity.

Any historian versed in the Roman period Levant will tell you that it's more than likely, even certain, that Jesus would have spoken Aramaic as his first language, but also Koine Greek to a good degree, and probably enough rough Latin to get by.

The Levant wasn't composed of segregated, regionally homogenous societies. It wasn't a melting pot either, but a traveller like Jesus would have been pretty lost without being able to speak the Lingua Franca du jour, Koine Greek.

Not only that, the Romans were there as an occupation army. They certainly weren't going to be arsed to learn Aramaic, so any contact with the Romans would have been in Koine and probably in Latin to some degree, more so the lower the rank of the Roman soldier. In occupied countries the locals usually end up speaking the occupiers' language in some way, at least enough to do business. ("Hey, Yankee, you buy?")

The real question is, what language did Pilate and Jesus speak with one another at Jesus' trial? I'm guessing Latin.

Oh, and Andy, the Paulist Letters were written by this guy named Paul, the intellectual formerly know as Saul.

11/27/2012 4:10:52 PM

Alencon

The heads of 83 biblical scholars just exploded.

There's no other "plausible author?" A "flawless essay?" Boy, I'll tell you, he must have been one conceited son of a bitch to talk about himself the way he did in Hebrews.

Andy you are fucking nuts.

11/27/2012 4:44:24 PM

Alencon

@ Mister Spak

AND he could hit a curve ball. Don't forget about his ability to hit a curve ball.

11/27/2012 4:45:59 PM

dfmfundies

Andy and his half-baked works should be installed in a FSTDT Hall of Shame. Every word he writes is eligible to be posted here.

11/27/2012 4:52:34 PM

Raised by Horses

"No-one else could possibly do it!"

Ayn Rand, is that you? What are you doing in the religion section?

11/27/2012 5:31:23 PM

John

If Jesus wrote "Hebrews", why would he say "... let us run with patience the race that is set before us, Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of [our] faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross."? Jesus is never quoted in the gospels as referring to himself in the third person as "Jesus", and certainly wouldn't have referred to enduring the cross unless you're suggesting he wrote it posthumously. If that's the case, why would he say "But this man (Christ), after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God", since Jesus didn't sit down at the right hand of God until after he ascended to heaven for good.

11/27/2012 5:52:16 PM

breakerslion

Jesus then went on to invent the gefilte, fluoride, and the Nobel Prize for Literature, which he promptly awarded to himself. There was no other plausible recipient.

11/27/2012 6:02:01 PM

CharlieE

Do we yet have concrete proof that Jesus even existed? I'd start there before pondering in which languages he might have been capable of writing.

11/27/2012 7:45:34 PM

Gloria

@ checkmate

Authorship of Hebrews is disputed, but Paul is generally not considered a likely candidate. The book is consistent with his theology, and references Timothy, so the odds are good the author was an associate of Paul's but the style is not consistent with Paul's epistles.

@ John

That is in fact, exactly the point he's responding to. Unsurprisingly, given who we're dealing with here, he doesn't seem to have gotten it.

11/27/2012 8:07:19 PM

freako104

Trying to rewrite history? Or are you content to fail it Andy?

11/27/2012 10:05:32 PM



Yes, there was no other 1st century Jew who was fluent in Koine Greek. Even though that was the lingua franca of the Eastern Roman Empire (which included the Holy Land) at the time. Only the son of God could have possibly been both literate and fluent in two languages that were very common in his country. Clearly.

Come to think of it, wasn't literacy also fairly common in 1st century Judea? I'm pretty sure I read that most towns had synagogues where kids learned to read and write Hebrew.

11/27/2012 11:30:30 PM



Satan could have written it.

11/28/2012 12:26:36 AM

Mech610

@Frostythesnowman

To be fair, many Jews of that time period were literate because their pride in their collective intellects was literally the only thing they had going for them under Roman rule.

That said, Andy's still a moron and there's no evidence that Jesus could speak Greek. Latin maybe, because of the Roman occupation, but he had no reason to know Greek.

11/28/2012 12:36:18 AM



When is Andy going to reveal himself as the biggest Troll/Poe on earth? I'm starting to worry he believes what he says.

eta: I've always suspected he's religion's answer to Stephen Colbert. But I may have too much faith in humanity...

11/28/2012 1:16:33 AM
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