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[But I agree with you about television. It is predominately pro evolution]

It is, however no single theory is ever put forward. Evolutionists are at war with themselves more than with creationists, for example i recently watched about 5 minutes of an evolution doctumentary about the origins of man, the clip showed one scientist arguing with another (quite strongly and harshly) over the Out Of Africa hypothesis Vs. the Multi-regional hypothesis. Both scientists were evolutionists but were calling each other ''wrong''.

The theory of evolution just seems to be in a great mess, evolutionists themselves can't even agree.

Cassiterides, Evolution Fairytale Forum 48 Comments [11/27/2012 4:40:35 AM]
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Canadia

Controversy is only feared by advocates of error.

11/27/2012 4:50:54 AM

Ebon

TV is predominantly pro-evolution because it's only a minority of only Americans (in the western world anyway) that have a problem with evolution.

And arguing over the exact details of evolution doesn't mean either of them was doubting the principles of it.

11/27/2012 4:53:22 AM

Frostythesnowman

'Evolutionists', as you dumb asses like to call them, are not at war with anyone. Evolutionary scientsts, like all scientists never take anything on faith, and issues as complex as evolutionary biology will always stir up questions and disagreements about some minor detail of the bigger picture. That's the nature of science.

The fact that some people would prefer to have faith exclusively in a bronze age anthology of Hebrew myths is only evidence of a war against intelligence.

11/27/2012 5:00:16 AM

Mike Litoris


11/27/2012 5:02:47 AM

KittyKaboom

The theory of evolution just seems to be in a great mess, evolutionists themselves can't even agree.

They agree on the basics. Not agreeing on the beginnings of said basics does not a community division make. Also, citation needed. I doubt two educated, adult scientists got into a heated argument over this.

You people can start whining about perceived divisions in other groups when you stop hating and alienating your own - other christians are not your enemies. When christians can admit similarities in core belief and stop pushing one another away for 'doing it wrong', perhaps you'll gain some credibility.

Also, just because I haven't said this to anyone yet today: fuck you.

11/27/2012 5:08:38 AM

OhJohnNo

@KittyKaboom:
"Also, citation needed. I doubt two educated, adult scientists got into a heated argument over this."

I don't. Scientists can be really competitive.

11/27/2012 5:32:41 AM

Tolpuddle Martyr

Scientists arguing about the specifics of a theory, it's almost like religious people killing each other over differences in religious doctrine...oh wait.

11/27/2012 5:37:49 AM

KittyKaboom

A OhJohnNo: I'm married to one, and you're right, I have noticed a competitive edge. I just didn't think they'd get that worked up over a topic whose core they both agree on.

...but then, I don't have to work with one (lol).

11/27/2012 5:49:21 AM



Too bad they don't have the bible, with its two totally consistent creation stories.

11/27/2012 6:11:52 AM

D Laurier

Evolutionists are imaginary boogiemen concocted by creationists.
The multiregional hypothesis was abandoned 30 years ago.

11/27/2012 6:18:22 AM

Doubting Thomas

But, if you notice, they're not arguing as to whether evolution actually takes place or not or the mechanics of how it works.

If you think two scientists arguing means that science is flawed, then you obviously don't understand that this is how science moves forward. For example, you don't just come up with the idea of eye beams and expect everyone to accept it as fact without someone arguing that it's complete bullshit.

11/27/2012 6:28:13 AM

Kuno

Of course, you are right. At least Christians can agree on the details of their religion.

So, tell me:

- Is the pope the representative of god on earth?
- Is the pope infallible?
- Are pastors and priests allowed to marry?
- Do Christians need to go to confession to have their sins forgiven?
- Do you get to heaven through good works or through faith in Jesus, or both?
- Should people get baptized as children or as adults?
- How many sacraments are there?
- Is there a purgatory or a limbo?
- Will there be a rapture?
- Will there be a tribulation?
- Will it be before or after the rapture?
- Does the bible condone slavery or does it condemn it?
- Is the bible literally true in every word or are there parts that are only metaphorical?
- If the bible is literally true, which creation story is the correct one?
- Can homosexuals be Christians or not?

Hm, Christianity just seems to be in a great mess, Christians themselves can't even agree.

11/27/2012 6:34:59 AM

Mister Spak

This documentary was more than 10 years old.

We are now able to read SDNA sequences that show out of africa is correct.

Try not to be so backwards.

Also these two scientists knew the origin(s) of homo sapiens was 100K+ years ago, while your giant man turning dirt into people 6000 years ago isn't even wrong.

11/27/2012 6:48:10 AM

dionysus

The difference is that when controversies rage in science eventually one side wins by getting evidence and the other side moves on and accepts it. When controversies rage in religion there is an irreparable schism and thousands of years of hatred despite the descendants having nothing to do with the squabbles of their ancestors. Oh, and the bloodshed. Can't forget about the bloodshed.

Evolutionists are at war with themselves more than with creationists

In science, being "at war" means vehemently disagreeing. In religion it means you're literally invading another country. Oh, and you want to claim that creationists are more in agreement than scientists? What's the age of the Earth? 6000? 10,000? 100,000? 4.5 billion? After all, that's not exactly a minor detail. And I haven't even gotten into any differences that define entire sects yet.

11/27/2012 7:01:56 AM

Noneofyourbusiness

The multi-regional hypothesis has been discredited. I'm surprised it ever made it to TV.

11/27/2012 7:08:09 AM

Horsefeathers

"Evolutionists are at war with themselves more than with creationists, for example i recently watched about 5 minutes of an evolution doctumentary about the origins of man, the clip showed one scientist arguing with another (quite strongly and harshly) over the Out Of Africa hypothesis Vs. the Multi-regional hypothesis."

Those would be covered under anthropology, not evolution.

"Both scientists were evolutionists but were calling each other 'wrong'"

That's what happens when there are competing explanations for things. That's why you have to have evidence to support your ideas, something creationists can't seem to figure out.

"The theory of evolution just seems to be in a great mess, evolutionists themselves can't even agree."

How many times does it have to be explained to you?

The Theory of Evolution is not under debate. No credible scientist in the appropriate fields questions the overall theory. What they argue with one another about, write papers on, and research is the minutia of how evolution works, and who is correct in their description of that, and not whether or not it does work.

11/27/2012 7:29:12 AM

Leighton Buzzard

32,338 different versions of Christianity and counting. You want to talk about great messes some more?

11/27/2012 7:44:35 AM

Papabear

That's how science works. Cases are made as long as there is some evidence which seems to support them. It's a good thing.

11/27/2012 8:33:35 AM

UHM

Welcome to Jesusland, were discussion is a sign of weakness.

11/27/2012 8:42:24 AM

JSS

"evolutionists themselves can't even agree"

What was that? Young Earth Creationism vs. Old Earth Creationism? Many different denominations of Christianity?

11/27/2012 8:43:17 AM

Thinking Allowed

Yeah...kind of like christianity.

11/27/2012 8:52:32 AM

Skyknight

@Canadia et al.: I think it has a lot to do with the (primarily authoritarian?) conceit that truth is inherently obvious. Controversy, because it implies confusion, can thus only come about if the root precept is erroneous in some way. And by corollary, anything other than consensus must have a root of someone performing willful deceit (default to Satanel if you can't find a human agent...never mind they were probably enticed BY Satanel in the first place).

11/27/2012 9:30:42 AM

John

They certainly agree on common origin and the modern theory of evolution itself. "Out of Africa" is an archaeological issue, not biology.

11/27/2012 9:57:32 AM

Deep Search

What, scientists arguing over a point? That's crazy. Those crazy scientists. Christians never disagree on anyth-- Oh, wait.

They weren't even arguing whether or not evolution is true. Because denying evolution isn't science. Seriously, you can totally Google those theories. Please. Do it. Now. Learn something.

11/27/2012 10:07:35 AM

breakerslion

"Evolutionists are at war with themselves more than with creationists..."

Yes, that whole "Ethnic Cleansing" incident in the Biology Department. So sad.

11/27/2012 10:16:33 AM
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