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Friends, I believe the worm has begun to turn and the backlash against the fascistic “gay” agenda has finally started. As Christians we need to steward this process and keep it civil and positive. Our goal is not merely to stop their agenda, it is to advance our own: a genuinely family-friendly society grounded in healthy Biblical values. To that end, it is time for our side to begin showing the contrast in clear unequivocal terms. We need to expose every aspect of the homosexual lifestyle and agenda to public scrutiny and at the same time remind everyone that God’s plan for sex and marriage produces as much good and health as “sexual freedom” produces harm and disease.

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Likewise, the choice of the Center for Marriage Policy http://marriagepolicy.org/ to come against “gay marriage” on the grounds of public health, talking again about the diseases associated with homosexual conduct, is a very smart move. They have declared September Protect Marriage Month and are circulating a flyer detailing the many health risks of homosexuality. We need to bring back public discussion of AIDS as a “gay” disease, pederasty as major subculture of male homosexuality, mental health problems and domestic violence as major problems associated with lesbianism, the recruitment of children into a homosexual identity through experimentation with “gay” sex, etc.. All the truths we stopped telling because they screamed so loudly about them.

Now is the time to step out from the behind the defensive bulwark of “traditional marriage” in which our only argument is that “marriage is between a man and a woman.” It is time to start taking back some of the ground we have ceded to the other side in the face of their overwhelming public relations superiority. Their marketing strategy to cast homosexuality as benign and even socially beneficial has finally hit the brick wall of reality. The phony facade is beginning to crack and crumble like an eggshell does when a baby chick is ready to be born.

Scott Lively, Scott Lively Ministries 59 Comments [11/30/2012 11:31:37 AM]
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The Crimson Ghost

Did anyone else read the first line as "fantastic gay agenda"?

That would be fabulous.

11/30/2012 11:38:07 AM

Mister Spak

"Friends, I believe the worm has begun to turn and the backlash against the fascistic “gay” agenda has finally started."

Yes, that's why 4 states voted to allow (or at least not forbid) same sex marriage.

11/30/2012 11:40:26 AM

Filin De Blanc

If the only way to defend your position is by lying, it really doesn't say very much for your position.

11/30/2012 11:42:18 AM

JB Mason

Somebody is trying really hard not to suck a cock. Just go for it, Scott. It's not that big of a deal.

11/30/2012 11:45:49 AM

Mattiedef

Funny how more people with AIDS are straight than gay. Raises many questions. Pederasty is a very different subculture from male homosexuality. Mental health issues mostly stem from bigotry, and some domestic violence stems from stress... soooo.

There's also no recruitment. Trust me, nobody I knew was gay when I decided I was bi, soooo.

11/30/2012 12:03:09 PM

Dr.Shrinker

"As Christians we need to steward this process and keep it civil and positive."

- That would be a first

11/30/2012 12:09:39 PM

Sheridan

Our goal is not merely to stop their agenda, it is to advance our own: a genuinely family-friendly society grounded in healthy Biblical values.

Or maybe your goal should be just to shut up and mind your own business.

I'll also be happy to tell you what you can do with your Biblical values.

likewise, the choice of the Center for Marriage Policy http://marriagepolicy.org/ to come against “gay marriage” on the grounds of public health, talking again about the diseases associated with homosexual conduct, is a very smart move. They have declared September Protect Marriage Month and are circulating a flyer detailing the many health risks of homosexuality. We need to bring back public discussion of AIDS as a “gay” disease, pederasty as major subculture of male homosexuality, mental health problems and domestic violence as major problems associated with lesbianism, the recruitment of children into a homosexual identity through experimentation with “gay” sex, etc.. All the truths we stopped telling because they screamed so loudly about them.

And you do know that lying is a big no no in your religion don't you?

11/30/2012 12:18:08 PM

Metallic Space Dragon

"Friends, I believe the worm has begun to turn and the backlash against the fascistic “gay” agenda has finally started."

What election were you watching? Minnesota held the line against a constitutional gay marriage ban and Maryland, Maine, and Washington state voted to allow gay marriage.

Lying for Jesus is still lying. Either that or you're really deluded, and neither state of affairs is desirable - for you. But hey, since I"m a gay mam and want gay marriage to be the law of the land go ahead and believe what you want.

11/30/2012 12:18:22 PM

Deadly Vomit

We need to bring back public discussion of AIDS as a “gay” disease, pederasty as major subculture of male homosexuality, mental health problems and domestic violence as major problems associated with lesbianism, the recruitment of children into a homosexual identity through experimentation with “gay” sex, etc.. All the truths we stopped telling because they screamed so loudly about them.

When did you ever stop telling those truths lies? I must have blinked and missed it.

11/30/2012 12:41:08 PM

Doubting Thomas

The trouble with your idea is that heterosexuals also contract AIDS, so it's not a "gay" disease. And if you're going to talk about the health risks of homosexuality, please show the statistics of low STD rates among lesbians.

And if I may also point out, your side is losing the culture war over homosexuality, so your two choices are to either accept it as a normal part of human sexuality, or else keep spouting your false claims and make yourselves keep looking even more backwards and irrelevant than you already are. In case you didn't know, people equate Christian homophobes like you with Fred Phelps and his WBC idiots.

11/30/2012 12:42:04 PM

fishtank

I hate you with my whole heterosexual heart.

11/30/2012 12:57:18 PM

Zagen30

Our goal is not merely to stop their agenda, it is to advance our own: a genuinely family-friendly society grounded in healthy Biblical values.

Translation: Our goal is to force society to accept the heterosexual, white, Christian, two-parent, working man/housewife household as the only legitimate family, and to suppress any discussion of alternatives.

All the truths we stopped telling because they screamed so loudly about them.

People "screamed so loudly about them" because they were truthinesses, not truths.

Now is the time to step out from the behind the defensive bulwark of “traditional marriage” in which our only argument is that “marriage is between a man and a woman.”

Nice of you to acknowledge that your only argument is a trite line based solely on a fundamentalist misreading of millenia-old mythology (after all, a truly fundamentalist reading would be fine with all the polygamy in the OT). I wonder why so many people don't agree with you?

11/30/2012 1:02:35 PM

Hasan Prishtina

"The phony facade is beginning to crack and crumble like an eggshell"

This type of language usually tells me a) the writer is from the far right and b) he has lost the argument. I don't think I'm wong here.

11/30/2012 1:19:22 PM

breakerslion

"Friends, I believe the worm has begun to turn and the backlash against the fascistic “gay” agenda has finally started." - Scott Lively, Scott Lively Ministries, 2012

"The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot...is me." - Dean Vernon Wormer, Animal House, 1978


11/30/2012 1:37:09 PM

Old Viking

You're looking to the Bible for healthy values?

11/30/2012 1:46:04 PM

Frostythesnowman

I hope it's not a cheap shot to mention that Scott Lively is the gayest name in the world.

Anyway, other peoples sex lives are none of your business Scott. You and all the other bigots are old news. Suck it up and move on.

11/30/2012 2:03:07 PM

Horsefeathers

"As Christians we need to steward this process and keep it civil and positive."

Keeping things civil and positive are not things Christians do well. Particularly in regards to things they don't like.

"Our goal is not merely to stop their agenda, it is to advance our own: a genuinely family-friendly society grounded in healthy Biblical values."

Which "Biblical values" are those? Certainly not the values that are actually in the Wholly Babble.

"Likewise, the choice of the Center for Marriage Policy http://marriagepolicy.org/ to come against 'gay marriage' on the grounds of public health, talking again about the diseases associated with homosexual conduct, is a very smart move."

Obviously. It worked so well at election time, after all.

"They have declared September Protect Marriage Month and are circulating a flyer detailing the many health risks of homosexuality."

All of which, no doubt, apply equally to heterosexual activity. They'll just leave that little bit of information out, of course.

"We need to bring back public discussion of AIDS as a 'gay' disease, pederasty as major subculture of male homosexuality, mental health problems and domestic violence as major problems associated with lesbianism, the recruitment of children into a homosexual identity through experimentation with 'gay' sex, etc.. All the truths we stopped telling because they screamed so loudly about them."

In other words you'll be doing the same fucking thing that you've been doing for 30+ years and has gotten you to where you are now with several states having some form of legally recognized homosexual marriage with more to follow.

Yeah. You go ahead and keep up your crusade. It's working wonders for you.

"Now is the time to step out from the behind the defensive bulwark of 'traditional marriage' in which our only argument is that 'marriage is between a man and a woman.'"

Except that the Wholly Babble clearly shows--several times--that "traditional marriage" is one man and as many women as he can support.

11/30/2012 2:05:18 PM

Papabear

"As Christians we need to steward this process and keep it civil and positive."

But how are you going to keep it civil and positive when you're telling the homosexual community they are mentally ill, disease-ridden and don't deserve basic rights?

11/30/2012 2:14:02 PM

Meeeh

And here is what this man is fighting against - Teh Gay Agenda:



11/30/2012 2:20:26 PM

xyz

> We need to expose every aspect of the homosexual lifestyle and agenda to public scrutiny
I am already aware of what homosexuals do, and I have no problem with it. Even if I did, it's none of my business.

> God’s plan for sex and marriage produces as much good and health as “sexual freedom” produces harm and disease.
What. I constantly hear fundies going on about how sex is *only* for reproduction, and people who do it for fun are perverts and evil. Yes, even if they are married. And the more lax fundies who allow some fun still claim anything other than vaginal sex in the missionary position is immoral.

> We need to bring back public discussion of AIDS as a “gay” disease
HIV/AIDS is not a "gay" disease.

> mental health problems and domestic violence as major problems associated with lesbianism
[citation needed]

> the recruitment of children into a homosexual identity through experimentation with “gay” sex, etc.
[citation needed]
I know for a fact that this is false. Straight people cannot become gay. Even if your batshit conspiracy theory is true, any attempt at gay recruitment is doomed to fail, unless the child is already gay, or is bisexual.

> Now is the time to step out from the behind the defensive bulwark of “traditional marriage” in which our only argument is that “marriage is between a man and a woman.”
"Traditional marriage" is between a master and his slave(s), not "one man and one woman."

> Their marketing strategy to cast homosexuality as benign and even socially beneficial has finally hit the brick wall of reality.
Homosexuality is benign. Tolerance is socially beneficial.

11/30/2012 2:49:44 PM

John

Scott, you're missing a few points. Gay marriage =/= gay sex. Gay people will have sex whether they're married or not, so preventing gay marriage will have no effect on AIDS or other STDs among gays. In fact, gay marriage would encourage long-term monogamy and reduce the spread of STDs. Also, STDs, and especially AIDS, are actually lower among lesbians than among straight people. As for mental health problems, the major source of them is people like you. If you got your nose out of their business, they'd be a lot happier. Worry about your own marriage and sex life and leave other people alone.

11/30/2012 3:23:20 PM

Joe Mama

I believe the worm has begun to turn and the backlash against the fascistic “gay” agenda has finally started.

Yeah right. That's why four states voted to allow gay marriage and Wisconsin voted for a lesbian to become their senator on November 6th, not to mention that tolerance for homosexuality continues to grow. Society is becoming more free, not less. Your idea of putting the gays back into the closet is doomed to failure.

11/30/2012 3:52:02 PM

Snarker

If your agenda is so "family-friendly," then why is it so intent on screwing everyone over?

11/30/2012 3:58:51 PM



Fine , you arrange for Christian people to follow the commandments of the Bible and when thats firmly in place we can see what else needs to happen.

That means no birth control, no tampons or pads , stoning fornicators, adulterers and unruly children to death in the town square, and quicky stonings for non-virgin brides. No consumer electronics for Christians either and no cars or trucks. (the Iron chariot thing)

11/30/2012 4:03:44 PM

J. James

Someone is taking loss with a big heaping side of DENIAL.

It ain't just a river in Egypt, Scotty Boy.

11/30/2012 4:14:08 PM
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