Quote# 91124

I'm afraid you are gravely mistaken. I was born homosexual, it is a fact of life, and there is nothing that can be done to change this.

My dear friend,

No, you were not born that way, any more than one is born a bank robber, a murderer or an abuser of animals. You have, sadly, chosen this. No one is born with unnatural instincts; quite the contrary. Whatever combination of circumstances in your life caused you to take this fatal step, I know not. But I do know that no one is born with a manner of living which will bring them horrendous venereal diseases (not to mention hepatitus-B).

There is hope for you but, like the alcoholic, you must take the first steps to overcome this.

schmenz, Life Site News 60 Comments [12/5/2012 4:25:57 AM]
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Yawn...... Also FIRST!

12/5/2012 4:36:34 AM


So, did you choose to be a dickhead, or were you born that way?

12/5/2012 4:50:56 AM

Mike Litoris

Your new houseplant just arrived...

12/5/2012 5:30:07 AM

Doubting Thomas

I guess the obvious question here is, when did you decide to become heterosexual?

Oh, and um, Hep-B and other STI's are passed through heterosexual sex as well, just thought you ought to know. HIV and other STI's really don't care if you prefer to stick your penis into a vagina or an anus.

12/5/2012 5:48:49 AM


Me, I chose to be short.

12/5/2012 6:03:39 AM


A person says they were born gay. A wingnut says the former is wrong. Wingnuts have a lot of gall to presume that they know more about the person than the person themselves.

It's like....

BOB: "I feel sad."

JIM: "No, you're very happy."

BOB: "No, I'm not!"

JIM: "Yes, you are! You are ecstatic!"

(or vice versa)

'schmenz the schmuck' is a schlemiel.

12/5/2012 6:04:03 AM


You can also color your hair, doesn't change your natural color.

I'm amazed by the balls these people have. Telling a homosexual that even though he or she has always felt that way, has always felt different, that it was a choice - you've gotta have balls for that.

12/5/2012 6:11:12 AM

Mister Spak

Does this mean you were not born an idiotic fundie? You can stop being an idiotic fundie if you take the first steps to overcome this?

12/5/2012 6:27:09 AM


"bank robber, a murderer or an abuser of animals"...

You religious types seem to be OK with doing those things yourselves. What you don't understand is those are wrong no matter who does them. No amount of projection will change that. Until you rectify that, you are in no position to judge anyone, but you won't because your typical arrogance won't let you, schlemiel.

12/5/2012 6:57:07 AM


"No, you were not born that way,..."

- Why is it that the only people I hear saying that are straight people?

12/5/2012 6:59:31 AM

Felix Wilde

If you can't even spell hepatitis, I'm guessig you aren't remotely qualified to discern what causes it. And look, you've proven me right.


12/5/2012 7:01:22 AM


Heh, the best way to describe schmenz's wilful ignorance is 'perverse'.

12/5/2012 7:16:54 AM


You gotta love the arrogance of Christians thinking that they know someone better than that person knows themselves.

Gay: "I've always been gay, I was never attracted to women."

Christian: "No, you CHOSE to be gay!"

Gay: "When? I never decided to like men. I think I'd know if I did."

Christian: "Yes you did. I'm a Christian, I know everything. Including your private thoughts."

12/5/2012 7:19:08 AM


Okay schmenz, dude... I feel like I need to say this: let's pretend for a moment that I actually believe that homosexuality IS a choice (it's not for most people, I'm bisexual and even I have my inbuilt preferences but whatever...) So what?

No, I'm serious, so fucking what? Lots of things are choices. You've clearly chosen to be an asshole. It's not a good choice, but it's the one you've made. Your whole argument hinges on this idea that the only thing keeping us all from being as bigoted as you is the belief that homosexuality isn't a choice. But there's an even bigger belief that you haven't even touched: we think there's nothing wrong with being gay. And the facts bear that out, you fatuous windbag.

Your petty shitbaggery is not a self evident fact, it's just empty hate. And you have failed to convince me, for one, otherwise. This is hardly surprising: the idea of actually having evidence for your beliefs must be an alien one.

12/5/2012 7:23:28 AM


Oh great. Psychiatrist shmenz is going to school us all on the exact nature of homosexuality and refute the personal experiences of about a good 90% of gays and lesbians everywhere. Let's take a listen...

12/5/2012 7:51:11 AM


schmenz is making a false analogy, which means comparing two situations, things, people, etc. that are not actually identical.

In this case, he is comparing homosexuality, which basically means the desire to have sex with the same sex instead of the opposite, to murdering and bank robbing, which rob others of their rights and cause pain or death.

The reason he is making this mistake is because his "ethical standards" are based on what does or does not violate propriety, rather than what does or does not harm others. Because of this presupposition, he "flattens" all violations into the same category.

12/5/2012 7:54:24 AM


Schmenz, there is overwhelming evidence that you are wrong. Your comment about animal abusers is wrong as well; it's called "sociopath," or "psychopath," and it has biological causes. There's only one reason I can think of for someone to be so willfully stupid: you've always been that way. When you were born, did you get stuck in your mother's vagina and come out blue?

12/5/2012 7:57:39 AM


Oh crud, I duplicated my comment again when I hit the "back" button. Sorry everyone, please ignore it.

12/5/2012 8:07:46 AM

I be afraid yo ass is gravely mistaken. I aint talkin' bout chicken n' gravy biatch. I started doin thangs homosapien, it aint nuthin but a fact of life, n' there is not a god damn thang dat can be done ta chizzle this.

My fuckin dear playa,

No, yo ass was not born dat way, any mo' than one is born a bank robber, a murderer and a abuser of muthafuckas. Yo Ass have, sadly, chosen this. No one is born wit unnatural instincts; like tha contrary. Whatever combination of circumstizzlez up in yo' thuglife caused yo ass ta take dis fatal step, I know not. But I do know dat no one is born wit a manna of livin which will brang em horrendous venereal diseases (not ta mention hepatitus-B).

There is hope fo' yo ass but, like tha alcatronic, yo ass must take tha straight-up original gangsta steps ta overcome this.

12/5/2012 8:17:05 AM


Jesus, the comments on that page are sickening.

12/5/2012 8:20:47 AM


"No, you were not born that way, any more than one is born a bank robber, a murderer or an abuser of animals."

...but right-wing fundies - who claim to be 'Saved' - are born to be sinners

Matthew 7:1, schmuckz, Matthew 7:1. As in put your own house in order, before you lot think you have the right to question anyone else's lifestyle.

...oh, and going by your logic schmuckz, long-time Christians can choose to become Atheists.

In using his own critical thinking faculties, Jonathan Edwards rent the veil of real lies. There is hope for you, but - like the alcoholic - you must take the first steps to overcome.

And one of those steps is to realise that the use of Bad Analogies will do nothing to further your own homophobic agenda, nor any possible arguments by you against LGBT people.

12/5/2012 8:25:25 AM


Then explain the over 1500 animal species that homosexual behavior has been observed in.

12/5/2012 8:38:13 AM


Didn't the father of the "Ex-Gay" movement come out and admit that it was all bullshit? Seems like it, but my memory is a bit fuzzy...

And as per usual, this fucker is nothing more than your typical, arrogant fundie fuck-stick. Nothing more, but probably something less.

12/5/2012 8:53:25 AM


If people choose to be gay, then they also choose to be stillborn, their hair colour, their mother, their father, to be hermaphrodites, to have missing limbs, etc.

12/5/2012 9:10:06 AM


So, schmenz, your PhD is in pyschiatry?

You are the one who decides what is and what isn't an "unnatural instinct?"

Exactly how do you KNOW no one is born a homosexual?

What "horrendous venereal diseases" do homosexuals have that hetrosexuals do not?

Remember, be specific and show your work.

12/5/2012 9:14:07 AM

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