Go for it... The north will recover. The south wont.
The north will still have the technology base to contain southern incursions, and the south will be a feudal petro state, selling its raw resources at bargain prices.
The north will be forced to stop interfering in other country's affairs, and the south will no longer be a drain on the north.
12/8/2012 6:01:33 AM
Tha Ghetto has failed as a nation. I aint talkin' bout chicken n' gravy biatch. Da Constipation be a gangbangin' failure. There is no polistical cure but separation ta dis problem. Even nuff gangstas on tha Left is willin ta say our crazy-ass asses is on ta somethang here.
Some of these Yankees is already bustin tha argument dat tha Blue States would be mo' betta of without financially without Red States like Alabama n' Mississippi. There is some merit ta dis argument cuz White Democratz up in states like New York straight-up is taxed ta sustain tha welfare state dat supportz mazillionz of African-American n' Hispanic Democratz up in tha South.
Da Uptown straight-up would be mo' betta off if it wasnâ€™t squanderin itz own tax dollars on integrated hood schools n' Section 8 housin n' Medicaid up in tha South. If tha Downtown was allowed ta secede, progressives would dominizzle tha remainder of tha Union, which is where most progressives live anyway.
If Christian marriage isnâ€™t sacred, why should tha Union be sacred, biatch? If dem hoes gotz a muthafuckin right ta control they own bodies, why donâ€™t Southerners gotz a muthafuckin right ta chizzle they own posse, biatch? If Tibet has a muthafuckin right ta be free of China, why donâ€™t Dixie gotz a muthafuckin right ta be free of tha United Hoods?
12/8/2012 6:46:58 AM
Southerners should embarrass tha Left by invitin internationistic observers from tha U.N. ta monitor our erections n' oversee a peaceful transizzle ta Downtown independence up in tha same stupid-ass way dat Kosovo n' Downtown Sudan recently became tha ghettoâ€™s sickest fuckin sovereign states.
Da United Hoodz went ta war ta prevent Serbia, Iraq, Uptown Vietnam, n' Uptown Korea from â€œpreservin tha Union.â€ It has prohibited Austria from reunitin wit Germany. It strong armed Sudan tha fuck into grantin independence ta Downtown Sudan.
Yankees should be forced ta chizzle between they commitment ta peace n' democracy n' â€œpreservin tha Unionâ€ on televizzle up in front of a internationistic crew. Let em hang themselves on they own principles. Russia n' China will happily provide em wit tha rope.
As a solution, secession will separate our asses from tha overwhelmin majoritizzle of Yankees n' eliminizzle they mobilitizzle (along wit they Jewish allies) ta meddle up in our internal affairs, which is 90% of our problem. In one stroke, secession alone will solve most of our problems wit blacks n' Hispanics, Yankees n' Jews.
12/8/2012 6:47:54 AM
Please, by all means go start your Republic of Jesusland and leave the rest of us alone.
12/8/2012 8:57:24 AM
"Even many people on the Left are willing to say we are on to something here."
If by that you mean encouraging you to develop an ass/door avoidance system, you are onto to something indeed.
"If Christian marriage isn’t sacred, why should the Union be sacred?"
If apples aren't square, why should oranges be round ?
12/8/2012 9:19:42 AM
"Southerners should embarrass the Left by inviting international observers from the U.N. to monitor our elections"
This from the same folk talking about UN troops monitoring our elections and forcing abortions through the UN Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities. You couldn't make this stuff up.
"The United States went to war to prevent Serbia, Iraq, North Vietnam, and North Korea from “preserving the Union.”
Where do we start? Serbia is not the same as Yugoslavia and launched four wars of aggression against other peoples. As far as the first Gulf War goes, Kuwait had never been part of Iraq, and as far as the second, Saddam Hussein already controlled 100% of the country, so there was no "preserving the Union." North Korea and North Vietnam were sovereign states that invaded other sovereign states. In the case of Vietnam, this has much support from the people of South Vietnam, but not in the case of Korea. And so the "conservative" South rushes to the defense of communist North Korea and North Vietnam. Further evidence of intellectual bankruptcy is unnecessary.
Hatred of America, Americans, the Constitution and the Union. There's another solution to treason: GTFO.
12/8/2012 9:46:29 AM
"There is some merit to this argument because White Democrats in states like New York really are taxed to sustain the welfare state that supports millions of African-American and Hispanic Democrats in the South.
The North really would be better off if it wasn’t squandering its own tax dollars on integrated public schools and Section 8 housing and Medicaid in the South."
Actually, most of the taxes of the North go to sustain the programs and infrastructure they have. The North also has lower poverty on average, better infrastructure, a more-educated populace, etc. What aid does go to the South goes to mostly white people on food stamps, Social Security and Medicare who are too poor themselves to afford it. Many poor blacks and Hispanics in the South have little to no govt aid, unlike poor minorities in the North. In many Southern states poor whites have aid while poor minorities in the same income bracket have less aid or none.
What does the South have to show for their lower taxes and lower regulations? Higher poverty, higher hunger, higher dropout rates, shitty infrastructure, etc.
12/8/2012 11:08:42 AM
Has anyone else wondered what's up with the faux-Ebonics translator?
Anyway, I can't believe that one of these racists actually accepts that tax revenue is given by the supposedly parasitic, failed, welfare nanny-state North and sucked up by the responsible, independent, fiscally conservative South. Doesn't that kinda fly in the face of their ideology? And it can't just be because there are Minorities in the south- California is full of Latinos and large East Coast cities are full of diversity. Philadelphia, New York, and Detroit anyone? So basically he's saying that the bigoted South can't even sustain itself, and the North should cut them off of their welfare.
12/8/2012 11:18:10 AM
Wait correct me if I am wrong are these idiots seriously suggesting succession. Not to mention this guy said south remember last time that happened.
12/8/2012 11:35:15 AM
I'm not an American, so I feel my opinion isn't worth as much on this. But I think to avoid another civil war it might be time to make an amendment to the constitution granting states that want to secede from the Union the right to do that. One could say 2/3 for in a referendum, state legislature, simple majority in Congress and the O.K. from the President and the Governor of the State. That would mean if a state really really wants to it can go, but sets the bar so high that it is almost impossible in the current system.
And seriously, if two thirds of a state wanted to secede, would any of you really try to force them to stay?
12/8/2012 2:11:22 PM
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12/8/2012 2:13:13 PM
UHM the entire reason the Union fought the civil war was pretty much to prove that no state has the right of succession.
12/8/2012 2:53:09 PM
Why not fracture into 50 independent states, in that case? The rest of the world could do with a laugh.
12/8/2012 3:03:46 PM
@Sora: Well, that and two entirely different cultures facing each other down first on a few than on one political issue.
And the outcome of a civil war has shit to say on judicial terms.
12/8/2012 5:26:18 PM
Well, the right to secession was shady anyway. There's nothing in the Constitution that forbids it, but James Madison and Alexander Hamilton (who were largely the masterminds behind the Constitution) stated unequivocally that they didn't believe it was a right of the states, mostly because they realized the need of a strong central government, and giving individual states the right to leave the Union whenever they wanted would be missing the point of the government they fought so hard to set up.
Regardless of that, most historians and political scientists would agree that the unilateral secession (that is, without the consent of the rest of the Union) was completely against the intentions of the Founding Fathers, and since that was what the South did (following the election of a moderate liberal who they irrationally thought would take extreme measures against them. Hm... why does that sound familiar?) it's tough to deny that they were in the wrong.
Oh, and the Supreme Court ruled after the Civil War was over that unilateral secession was unquestionably unconstitutional. So there's that.
12/8/2012 9:28:43 PM
Austria and Germany, you say? Wonder who thought of that one...
12/8/2012 10:26:25 PM
Go on and secede then...
But don't come crawling back after you've turned "Dixie" into a hellhole.
12/9/2012 9:02:23 AM
There is one State that can leave the Union if it wants... it was written into the agreement when it joined the Union.
Texas can go when it wants...
12/9/2012 10:29:56 AM
Kevin Klawitter: I didn't know about the Supreme Court ruling, on the other hand the amendment I "proposed" would be bilateral (since the President and Congress would have to give their ok).
I'm always rather confused about references to what the Founding Fathers thought, since what they thought isn't the law, but what they wrote in the constitution is the law. As in this arguments, they wrote nothing about seccession in the constitution (either because they were unable or unwilling) and oppend the same up to be amendable, so if the people and legislatures were to find a regulation on seccesion, wouldn't that be acceptable as the will of the people to the Founding Fathers? Again, confusing.
BrianX: Germans and Austrians before 1945? And even today you will find small groups of people that would like to unite. Althoug we do have to this day special relations with each other.
12/9/2012 10:42:47 AM
can I get some south sudanese to comment on how they apperciated being compared to angry rednecks?
12/9/2012 6:15:26 PM
The United States went to war to prevent Serbia, Iraq, North Vietnam, and North Korea from “preserving the Union.” It has prohibited Austria from reuniting with Germany. It strong armed Sudan into granting independence to South Sudan.So much history fail in one sentence
12/10/2012 12:25:36 AM
Even many people on the Left are willing to say we are on to something here.
By that you mean the incessant cries of "Just leave already!"?
There is some merit to this argument because White Democrats in states like New York really are taxed to sustain the welfare state that supports millions of African-American and Hispanic Democrats in the South.
That actually sounds like the reason they don't want you to secede because that would leave those minorities to fend for themselves. They're not concerned with your white trash ass.
If Tibet has a right to be free of China, why doesn’t Dixie have a right to be free of the United States?
Because Tibet was a pre-existing nation invaded without provocation by China. The confederacy kinda screwed the pooch attacking Fort Sumter. The north may have been spoiling for a fight, but so was the south. Tibet didn't bother anyone.
Southerners should embarrass the Left by inviting international observers from the U.N. to monitor our elections and oversee a peaceful transition to Southern independence in the same way that Kosovo and South Sudan recently became the world’s latest sovereign states.
1: Texas recently tried to ward off international observers from monitoring the election, so either they had something to hide or your elected governors are really obstinate about something that's pretty much become par for the course.
2: You really want the American south to become a failed state like Kosovo and South Sudan? Aight, your choice.
12/10/2012 6:08:48 AM
The United States went to war to prevent Serbia, Iraq, North Vietnam, and North Korea from “preserving the Union.” It has prohibited Austria from reuniting with Germany. It strong armed Sudan into granting independence to South Sudan.
Yugoslavia (formally not Serbia) was engaged in war crimes, along with the seceding countries it fought. Cold war mentality resulted in a clusterfuck of bad decisions, but eventually it resulted in an uneasy peace.
Iraq was not preserving any union it had with Kuwait, it had been a seperate principality for generations by then. Saddam simply wanted to erase a lot of the national debt and gain more resources to rebuild his warmachine, so the Saudis stepped in to say he couldn't do that.
Defending South Vietnam and South Korea had nothing to do with 'fairness' and the right to secede. Point was the south was dictatorial, the north was communist, the US chose the former over the latter.
The Anschluss had been opposed not by the US, but by France, Britain and Italy. When Germany lost World War 2 the Austrians decided themselves they didn't want to be dragged down by Nazis anymore.
Sudan was, again, perpetrating war crimes against the seceding nation. I don't understand why you see this as such an examplary case for the American south. Should your wish ever come true I hope the north keeps a sharp eye on you, and curbstomps your face the moment you decide to repeat some of those tragidies.
12/10/2012 6:11:40 AM
Let them hang themselves on their own principles. Russia and China will happily provide them with the rope.
Ah yes, because those are the countries you want to take the stage in the USA's absence. I'm all for restraining America's world police activities to where there's need to prevent an atrocity, but I don't want to see China and Russia running the show. And believe me, you wouldn't either. Trust me.
In one stroke, secession alone will solve most of our problems with blacks and Hispanics, Yankees and Jews.
['Watching you' gesture]
12/10/2012 6:12:57 AM
That's actually not true.
If they did actually secede, Texans would be royally fucked if Perry was in charge. He's about as sharp as a bag of hammers.
12/13/2012 10:22:01 PM