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Mefferd: One of the fears about ENDA was that if you couldn’t discriminate for example against a transgender teacher, then your kid is stuck with a transgender teacher. Is that something as a potential implication of this news?

LaBarbera: Absolutely. Because you have to see unequal things as equal under the law, that’s the whole point. Same thing with an openly homosexual, what if you had a homosexual activist teacher? What if you had a lesbian teacher for second grade students and she is in a state with a sexual orientation or gender identity law on the books, she wants to put a picture of her lesbian lover on the desk, you can’t stop that. It’s the same with this gender identity.



Mefferd: That does become really troubling when you think about whether or not this will cause, as you mentioned before, a little boy who likes to dress up in girls’ clothing, the school not being able to tell them you can’t wear it. I guess it has yet to be established whether or not a school would have the right to say ‘a little boy has to dress like a little boy’ but it sure does open the question now.

LaBarbera: You know where the ACLU and the gay lobby wants to take it, the trans lobby, they want to say no, the school would not have the right. So the majority loses its right to guide their children morally and spiritually to the school, that’s what’s happening, which is why a lot of people are pulling out of the public school. If gender identity becomes a right, then who is school to trample on the rights? That’s why we see men in female restrooms because they have been given so-called rights to act on their perceived gender identity. It comes back to: what is the purpose of law? Law used to be to restrain sin, that’s the biblical purpose, but now it is flipped in American society and law is encouraging sin.

Mefferd: Of course, that’s the brave new world we’re all living in.

Janet Mefferd & Peter LaBarbera, Right Wing Watch 44 Comments [12/9/2012 6:12:16 AM]
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Hertzyscowicz

So, let me get this straight: Transferring decisions about child-rearing from the school to the parents is somehow limiting people's choice in how their children get brought up?

12/9/2012 6:18:21 AM

Filin De Blanc

"she wants to put a picture of her lesbian lover on the desk"

ERMAGEHRD

DESK PHOTOS

WE'RE DOOMED I TELL YOU

12/9/2012 6:27:35 AM

Matante

Stop being sexist against boys! Girls can dress like boys, why shouldn't boys dress like girls if they want to?

12/9/2012 6:31:55 AM

Esquilax

This is another one of those things where they've listed a lot of the realities of what could happen in a truly equal society, but neglected to tell us why that's a bad thing. Beyond that silly moral argument, which has always smacked to me of a whiny "oh no, the rest of the world won't legitimize my bigotry anymore!"

Once again, the "gays/trans is bad!" idea is not self evident. There are plenty of people, myself included, who see each and every one of those "fears" and just smiles and nods, wanting that reality very much. That the bigots are worried about everyone being able to express themselves how they want is very telling.

12/9/2012 7:03:24 AM

Doubting Thomas

OMFG!!! THE GHEYS AND FREAKS ARE COMING TO GET OUR KIDZ!!!! EVERYONE PANIC!!!11!!1!

12/9/2012 7:04:02 AM

Reynardine

If you're that worried, then nobody posts family pictures and everyone wears jeans and chambray shirts to school, except that Pentecostal girls and Scotty boys get to wear skirts.

12/9/2012 7:07:17 AM

Arctic Knight

"Oh no! A little boy might want to dress up in girl's clothes and I won't have the right to discriminate against him. This is unfair to give that little boy 'special rights' to not be harrassed and bullied."

What a douche.

12/9/2012 7:10:06 AM

Nerikull

Y'ever notice how much fear these 'concerned' people have regarding anyone who is not just like them?

Fascinating. *eyebrow rise*

12/9/2012 7:34:41 AM

Horsefeathers

"One of the fears about ENDA was that if you couldn’t discriminate for example against a transgender teacher, then your kid is stuck with a transgender teacher."

Oh, goodness me. Whatever will little Johnny's innocent little mind make of that situation?

Probably not much would be my guess. Little Johnny's right wing fundy parents will have a fucking conniption fit though.

"That does become really troubling when you think about whether or not this will cause, as you mentioned before, a little boy who likes to dress up in girls’ clothing, the school not being able to tell them you can’t wear it. I guess it has yet to be established whether or not a school would have the right to say ‘a little boy has to dress like a little boy’ but it sure does open the question now."

You realize that it was common practice in the Victorian era, of all times, to dress all children as little girls until they were about six years old, right? They would even curl their hair and everything. This was at a time when there were very strict gender roles, and surprisingly (or not) all of those little boys grew up to be men, most of whom I have to assume had no compulsion to dress in women's clothing and probably no more than statistics would indicate turned out to be homosexual.

"You know where the ACLU and the gay lobby wants to take it, the trans lobby, they want to say no, the school would not have the right. So the majority loses its right to guide their children morally and spiritually to the school, that’s what’s happening, which is why a lot of people are pulling out of the public school."

Good riddance.

12/9/2012 7:47:40 AM

Blarghonius

So Big Brother loses its ability to tell us how to live? Great. I'm all for that.

12/9/2012 7:53:16 AM

Berny

"It comes back to: what is the purpose of law? Law used to be to restrain sin, that’s the biblical purpose, but now it is flipped in American society and law is encouraging sin."

If the purpose of law is to restrain sin then where are the laws banning Sunday work? Why does the Constitution specifically protect freedom of worship, thereby allowing multiple religions, if there is only one God? Why are advertising firms tolerated when their sole purpose is to get us to covet things we do not have?
Your own argument shot itself in the foot.

12/9/2012 8:15:01 AM

Firewing

Sin is irrelevant. What matters is the harm to society something brings. Nothing of what these two gripe about brings any harm whatsoever to society. The deathcult these two belong to on the other hand, has a very sordid, bloody history, and continues to make known its bloodlust and depravity. They are in no position to be outraged at anything.

12/9/2012 9:32:52 AM

UHM

And ENDA is about hiring people, not what they can do once they work.

If your kid is taught something at school that you don't agree with, you might be able to have a "conversation" with him or her - that is an exchange of words - clarifying your position on the issue with well reasoned arguments. If your arguments are good, the kid will side with you, if they aren't, it will side with the other person. I know that's a confusing concept, but it's called "political discourse" and is a base for something called "democracy".

12/9/2012 10:03:53 AM

Noneofyourbusiness

"One of the fears about ENDA was that if you couldn’t discriminate for example against a transgender teacher, then your kid is stuck with a transgender teacher."

And this will have what effect, exactly, on your kid?

12/9/2012 10:28:59 AM

werewolf

It is always a brave new world we're living in, you sillies.

12/9/2012 10:33:29 AM

Pist

They're going to be pissed when someone points out to them that all people are equal to all other people in rights, which is self-evident. Also, they'd be pissed if they ever went to go see that movie Lincoln.

12/9/2012 10:37:13 AM



Whoa, whoa, whoa.

"...a little boy who likes to dress up in girls’ clothing, the school not being able to tell them you can’t wear it"

"You know where the ACLU and the gay lobby wants to take it, the trans lobby, they want to say no, the school would not have the right. So the majority loses its right to guide their children morally and spiritually to the school..."

There is so much wrong with this...first, the kid WANTS to dress like that. What exactly is immoral about it? Second, why should the school, which is responsible for the education of hundreds of kids, mandate the morality of all of them because of what this one kid's parent's want? And fourth:

"what is the purpose of law? Law used to be to restrain sin."

No. Just no.

12/9/2012 11:55:49 AM

Canadia

PICTURES WILL SIT ON DESKS AND PEOPLE WILL DRESS SLIGHTLY DIFFERENTLY! FUCCCCCKKKKKK!

12/9/2012 11:57:25 AM

JSS

This is a very important thing to consider. We don't need people with social agendas teaching kids in our public schools. It's bad enough that they have to actually go to a public school, but to be indoctrinated into fundamentalist religious belief systems is crossing the line and the-- oh. LaBarbera? You have a different idea? Please, continue...

12/9/2012 12:07:13 PM

nazani14

" Law used to be to restrain sin"
Nope. Read any first year law textbook.

12/9/2012 12:37:03 PM

Papabear

Of course, if we were talking about discrimination against Christians you'd be all up in arms, but as long as it's discrimination against the evil LGBT folks it's OK.

12/9/2012 1:06:37 PM

John

Mefferd's Grandma: "One of the fears about the Civil Rights Act was that if you couldn’t discriminate for example against a negro teacher, then your kid is stuck with a porch-monkey for a teacher. Is that something as a potential implication of this news?"

LaBarbera's Grandpa: "Absolutely. Because you have to see unequal things as equal under the law, that’s the whole point. Same thing with a Jew, what if you had a JDL activist teacher? What if you had a heebie teacher for second grade students and she wants to wear a Star of David, you can’t stop that. It’s the same with this racial equality".

12/9/2012 1:59:01 PM

Swede

As you couldn't discriminate against Christians, I was stuck with a Christian teacher during my first three years in school. Poor me!
I also had an openly scared substitute teacher, who let the class bully me all they liked, because that meant he wasn't bullied during that class. Really mature of him, don't you think?

If my brother can put a picture of his female fiancée on his desk, then so should all his female colleagues.

It's not up to the school to tell a kid what he can wear or not wear, that's up to his parents.

Mefferd, would you like lesbians to share restroom with you? And LaBarbera, would you like gay men to share restroom with you?

Laws are used to stop people from harming each other, or from disrupting order in society. Sin is an arbitrary concept, and only some sins are frown upon, while most are accepted. Janet, do you keep out of society during those "red" days, so that no male accidentally touches you or anything you have touched, and becomes unclean until evening?


12/9/2012 2:25:14 PM

farpadokly

So WHAT if your kid has a transgender teacher? SO WHAT. It might be good for the kid to learn that there all kinds of people in the world. He or she might grow up to be more accepting.
And forgive me, but do primary school teachers in America put pictures of their partners on their desks? And even if they did, why would it matter??
And I think you'll find that the vast majority of boys will want to dress like boys, and the vast majority of girls like girls. Nothing to worry about there.
"Law used to be to restrain sin, that's the biblical purpose". Too bad American law is not based on the Bible then, and neither is its ancestor, English common law.

12/9/2012 2:28:16 PM

LAchlan

I'd much rather my kids had a transgender teacher than an idiot with blinkered mediaeval attitudes like yourself.

12/9/2012 2:32:55 PM
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