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actually, the best proof of the Bible is that without its truths you couldn't prove anything! People who want to disprove the Bible actually have to borrow from its worldview to attempt to do so and hence have already lost the argument before they even begin.

Chris Flournoy, Dave Hunt's Facebook Page 63 Comments [12/10/2012 4:29:40 AM]
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Submitted By: Tony
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Arctic Knight

Ah, because rabbits chew cud, salt loses its flavor, the world is a flat circle rather than a sphere, flora and fauna can speak and the mustard seed is the smallest seed in the world. Do you want me to continue with more scientific falsehoods that can be found in your Bible?

12/10/2012 4:39:18 AM

UHM

Why do you people need an absolute truth? What makes you really need that so much? Do it like science, run on assumptions that are probably true.

12/10/2012 5:03:07 AM

Leighton Buzzard

There is no math in the Bible.

12/10/2012 5:13:05 AM



Science uses actual data, not a "worldview".

12/10/2012 5:29:57 AM

Doubting Thomas

Bible truths? Like a 6 day creation 6,000 years ago? Like a worldwide flood that never happened? Like a mass exodus of Israelites from Egypt which archaeologists never found evidence of?

This "without the bible you can't prove anything" idea appears to be another fundie falsehood that one of them came up with and the rest pass around as fact. It's not even a good argument. It's totally stupid.

12/10/2012 5:49:01 AM

Raised by Horses

Okay, prove the germ theory of disease using the Bible, then get back to us.

12/10/2012 5:49:39 AM

KittyKaboom

Yes, because having seen the pictures of earth from space, we have scientifically verified that the earth is not only flat, but is supported by four pillars.

Oh wait....

12/10/2012 6:09:51 AM

elix

It's a good thing the Bible doesn't contradict itself, as it's the source of truths necessary to understand the world.

Oh, wait.

12/10/2012 6:11:37 AM

D Laurier

what the fuck?

12/10/2012 6:18:40 AM

Felix Wilde

What is this I don't even

12/10/2012 6:22:22 AM

Joe Mama

Looks like science has gotten along just well without the bible, thank you very much. Please show me in the bible where it talks about electricity or electronic circuits, and if you can't then get off your computer.

12/10/2012 6:47:53 AM

Reynardine

And the Earth has corners, and logic is a circle.

12/10/2012 6:48:21 AM

dionysus

This is one of the few times I've voted WTF not because the quote is super fundie but because it actually made me say "what the fuck?". Where in the Bible does it say anything about logic, investigation, evidence, or science? I can pretty well prove that water expands when it freezes without ever opening the Bible. Countless non-Christian cultures have developed systems of mathematics without the Bible. The West uses the Arabic system of algebra FFS and many of the mathematical principles (such as the Pythagorian Theorem) developed by the Greeks. And math happens to be the only thing that can be proven to an absolute. Even as a former Christian I just don't see where the Bible provides any way to prove anything. Isn't it all supposed to be revelation and faith anyway?

12/10/2012 6:59:44 AM

fishtank

zuh?

12/10/2012 7:13:39 AM

Mister Spak

It's amazing what you can accomplish after you prove PI is really equal to 3.

12/10/2012 7:15:55 AM

anevilmeme

Not.......Even.........Wrong.....

12/10/2012 7:25:15 AM

Horsefeathers

Well isn't that just stupid.

I'd say more, but everyone else has pretty well covered it.

12/10/2012 7:31:14 AM

Alleyprowler

Truth, like love, is one of those special fundie words that means exactly the opposite of what the rest of us mean when we use them.

12/10/2012 7:35:32 AM

quinky

The above commenters have clearly (and happily) not encountered presuppositional apologetics. This is a corner-stone of presuppositionalism: claiming that without logic, you can't do science, and logic, uhm, comes from God, because yeah.

12/10/2012 7:42:18 AM

Papabear

Specifically, what truth from the Bible allows us to "prove" the Bible? Sounds like "1984" double-speak to me.

12/10/2012 7:51:30 AM

breakerslion

A Nambikiwara who has never seen a Bible told me that if he sticks you with a poisoned arrow, you will die. He says he can prove it.

12/10/2012 7:57:40 AM

Anon-e-moose

"People who want to disprove the Bible actually have to borrow from its worldview to attempt to do so and hence have already lost the argument before they even begin"

Bitch, please. I don't even have to go into 20% of Argument Annilhilation Mode, to merely point out that the notion of a man made from dirt - and a woman cloned from one of his ribs; also a talking snake, insects with four legs, bats that lay eggs, rabbits that chew their cud, and goats bred near patterned poles that give birth to young with matching fur colour/pattern characteristics, mean that your so-called 'Biblical Worldview' has been destroyed, before the argument even fucking existed to be annihilated in the first place.

12/10/2012 8:01:45 AM

farpadokly

It's not about "disproving" the Bible, it's about seriously investigating its claims to truth. And no, you don't have to borrow from its worldview in the slightest. You can use logic, whose workings predate Christianity.

12/10/2012 9:03:53 AM

JSS

Actually, the best proof of the validity of scientific inquiry is that without its truths you couldn't prove anything! People who want to shirk science in favor of scripture actually have to borrow from the scientific worldview to attempt to do so and hence have already lost the argument before they even begin.

Now that actually makes sense.

12/10/2012 9:22:44 AM

JohnTheAtheist

I read this post 5 times and I am still not sure what Chris is trying to say.

12/10/2012 9:26:07 AM
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