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The war on Christmas is very, very real, and if you ask me, in addition to some grouchy misanthropic heathen atheists it has to do - at the root of it - with two things - abortion and the gay rights agenda, because Christianity is against those things. It's subtle but that's why it's so pronounced in recent years.

Bernard McGuirk, Towleroad 47 Comments [12/12/2012 4:25:10 AM]
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War on terrorism.
War on drugs.
War on Christmas.

Dont you people ever think about anything else?

12/12/2012 4:39:29 AM


The whole war on Christmas feels like a parody story from The Onion.

Like a fake story about a group secretly plotting to distroy Columbus Day and replace it with Leif Erickson Day.

12/12/2012 4:52:25 AM

Hasan Prishtina

The only people I've noticed waging war on Christmas are the fundies who think it's a pagan festival. So, I'm getting confused here: some fundies hate Christmas because they're for or against abortion and the gay rights agenda? Besides, the gay people I know celebrate Christmas with some gusto.

12/12/2012 5:11:41 AM


There is no war on Christmas, but to be completely non-hypocritical you should give up the holly and the wreaths and mistletoe; and no Christmas trees. You should probably not call Christmas "Yule" or burn a Yule log, and exchanging gifts is straight out. You probably shouldn't celebrate it just after the winter solstice or sing wassailing songs either.

As for abortion and Gay rights, this is a non sequitur.


What exactly is a heathen atheist?

12/12/2012 5:21:44 AM

Leighton Buzzard

Is there anything in (your) Christianity besides hating on gays and abortion?

12/12/2012 5:28:55 AM

Jezebel's Evil Sister

I think I'm a heathen atheist. Whenever anyone asks about my religious affiliation, I always say "heathen" (just because I'm a smart arse). But, since I don't believe a word of any religious/superstitious crap, I'm really an atheist.

12/12/2012 6:00:41 AM

Mister Spak

Jeremiah 10:2-4:

"Do not learn the ways of the nations or be terrified by signs in the sky,
though the nations are terrified by them.
For the customs of the people are worthless;
they cut a tree out of the forest, and a
craftsman shapes it with his chisel.
They adorn it with silver and gold;
they fasten it with hammer and nails so
it will not totter."


When Oliver Cromwell established the Protectorate in
England in 1653, it was a much a religious revolution
as it was political. Cromwell and the victorious
Parliamentarians belonged to the protestant
religous sect known as the Puritans.

The Puritans were so named becuase of their
attempts to "purify" the Christian church by
adopting more basic forms of worship. And
among their chief targets was anything that
could be tied to the practices of the
Roman Catholic Church -- and, by extension
the Anglican, or Church of England.

Including the celebration of Christmas.

Driven by Puritan notions of religious purity,
in 1647 Parliament banned the celebration of Christmas.
Gone were such pagan ideas as Christmas Trees,
feasting, caroling, and decorations
(and, indeed, they were borrowed from Pagan winter celebrations) .
Nativity scenes were banned as the worship of idols.
Indeed, even the word Christmas was frowned upon as
taking the Lord's name in vain.

12/12/2012 6:38:49 AM


Yeah, whatever. Fuck off and take your religion with you.

12/12/2012 6:39:06 AM

Deep Search

Grouchy misanthropic heathen atheists, oh my. I wish I could make that a username or something. And now the gays and abortion rights activists are warring against Christmas, too? It's subtle, but pronounced... Clearly pro-choice and GLBT people don't ever celebrate Christmas or identify themselves as Christian, ever.

Well, there's a war on Christmas it's under attack
Hey, this year Old Saint Nicholas is taking it back
He's firing guns from his reindeer, dropping bombs from his sled
This year if you were naughty, you're as good as dead~

12/12/2012 6:39:56 AM

Doubting Thomas

Yes, abortion and gay rights is at the root of the war on Christmas, that's why I decorated our tree with aborted fetuses and penises this year.

12/12/2012 7:26:13 AM


The war on Christmas was waged and won by Santa Claus and consumerism. Far more people celebrate Santa than Jesus.

12/12/2012 7:44:07 AM


While it is appropriate to think that there is actually a war on Christmas with Christmas being mentioned in about 95% of it's own genre of music, with Christmas trees abound and 99% of indulgers calling them Christmas trees, with Nativity scenes abound, and with 'Merry Christmas' being by far the most popular greeting of the season, your assertion is a bit presumptuous. It's always just like you evangelicals to make everything about hating gays isn't it? Frankly, I prefer my Christmas fundie-free, not Christian-free mind you, but fundie-evangelical/jihadi-muslim-crackpot-free. If you guys can accomodate that, I'd be very grateful.

12/12/2012 7:54:50 AM


What does Christmas have to do with abortion or homosexuality? Abortion has been legal in most Western countries for decades, but Christmas seems to be going steady all the same. Gay people have always existed; the only difference is that they don't have to hide anymore.

We're rather secular here in Sweden, but we still celebrate Christmas, or "jul" as we call it. Many, who never go to church during the rest of the year, want to visit a church at least once during Christmas, and many people, who don't really believe, have a small nativity scene out with Jesus in a manger; I know I do.

So, where is this war on Christmas and how is it waged?

12/12/2012 7:58:15 AM

Grouchy misanthropic heathen atheist

I don't understand how he goes from a non-existent war to gays being responsible for said war. I wish, for just once I could grasp the thought processes of these fundies. However, doing so might drive me clinically insane.

12/12/2012 8:14:24 AM


Now, now, don't pout.

Not being grouchy, misanthropic nor from the heath I have only my atheism to speak from, but our problem with Christmas has nothing to do with abortion rights nor homosexuality. Our problem with Christmas is largely an issue of using public lands and public funds to celebrate it.

P.S. It would also be nice if your lot would understand how tired we get of your wishes that we have a "merry Christmas." You see, Bernie, it's like everyone you meet wishing you a "happy Satan's Day" for two months every year.

12/12/2012 8:40:04 AM

Filin De Blanc

"Is there anything in (your) Christianity besides hating on gays and abortion?"

I was going to say something like that - at this point I'm pretty much convinced that fundies would vote for someone who made their career drowning adorable puppies if that person just claimed to be against gay marriage and abortion (and was white).

12/12/2012 8:47:11 AM


war on christmas? what about the war on hanukkah? clearly there is a plot to get rid of hanukkah, how many stores do you see are selling hanukkah decorations?!

12/12/2012 9:29:22 AM


Please tell me where this war is being waged, so that I may go there to seek refuge from the horrible, vulgar inflatable lawn displays.

12/12/2012 11:18:09 AM


Doesn't heathen refer to those who worship household gods? Somebody told me about that... basically, it means you have some form of religion.

Atheism means you don't have a form of religion.


12/12/2012 11:18:28 AM


I love Christmas! It's a great excuse to hang with my family and eat sweets.

Nobody wants to stop you from celebrating Christmas, they just want their celebrations to be respected too.

12/12/2012 11:21:54 AM

Violet Beauregarde

WTF does Christmas have to with abortion and homosexuality?!

12/12/2012 11:31:17 AM


Or instead of playing defensive, you could make Christmas a secular holiday and have everyone celebrate it regardless of faith and belief. I personally am going to keel celebrating it even though I'm not a Christian because it's a nice winter festival .

12/12/2012 11:32:55 AM


First off all, no one asked you.

Secondly, there are real wars. As my name says I am an atheist but I celebrate christmas with my family, I just take out the superstitious bullshit. I could care less if you want to have garish manger displays all over your lawn, or your church grounds, whatever floats your boat Bernie. However, the second you say, "Hey, John, we need your tax dollars so we can show everyone just how swell jesus is" is when I will give you a "war".

12/12/2012 11:38:54 AM


They're not grouchy, they just hate the time of year everyone else considers the most fun.


12/12/2012 12:34:55 PM


*sigh* Damn you people are small minded and unoriginal... Here's some advise: turn off the Faux News and watch The Daily Show. Alternatively, you can put down your babbles, grab a Richard Dawkins book, and read the motherfucker. Or you can get off your soapboxes and just shut up. You're golden either way. Oh, and by the way, real wars are fought with weapons, not sensationalist news reports and pissing contests between five year olds under the guise of negotiation and diplomacy.

12/12/2012 12:56:03 PM

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