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Response: When you can provide evidence of harm done in having consensul sex in marriage with a 9 year old who has reached maturity and and puberty, other than because mommy says so, then you will have a point.

Al-Fatihah, Atheist Forums 68 Comments [12/13/2012 4:33:14 AM]
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Mike Litoris

What the fuck.

Seriously; what the fuck.

12/13/2012 4:54:11 AM


Before everybody goes nuts:

The OP is discussing the story of Aisha, the youngest wife of Mohammed. She was his favorite wife and an important figure in the development of Sunni Islam.

Now resume going nuts.

12/13/2012 5:02:06 AM


Ah still haven't made it out of the 6th century I see...

12/13/2012 5:03:32 AM


Please, die in a fire.

12/13/2012 5:04:50 AM


Of course times were different when Mohamed was screwing children, but if you, as an apologist for paedophilia, think that you can hide behind your mythology to justify sex with young children, you won't find many converts around here.

12/13/2012 5:08:05 AM

Warren McIntosh

Not sure what annoys me more, stupid people judging historical events against modern morals, or stupid people applying historical morals to modern events.

12/13/2012 5:13:38 AM


a 9 year old who has reached maturity and and puberty

Ah, the infamous fully grown pre-teen, commonly seen in schools everywhere. *facepalm*

12/13/2012 5:24:22 AM


Aisha was betrothed before puberty, but not married until her teens, and morons like this guy do nothing but incite the barbarous yawp that sets off the likes of Anders Breivik.

12/13/2012 5:42:29 AM

Sharon Young

Had jsonitsac and Reynardine not posted the source, this would have warranted a flat "Whaaaaat." from me. That all being said, I reckon the historical event and / or its significance has been perverted with reference to the global observer.

12/13/2012 5:49:14 AM

Doubting Thomas

I guess it doesn't occur to this dickhead that 9-year-olds don't have the emotional maturity to handle sex. But if he's a fundie Muslim, he probably only sees women as property and young girls as useless anyway.

12/13/2012 5:49:49 AM

Raised by Horses

When you can provide us with medical evidence that a 9-year old girl is "sexually mature", other than your own wish-thinking and your dick, you can get back to us.

Until then, enjoy your stay in jail.

12/13/2012 5:50:18 AM

D Laurier

When you can provide evidence of a consensual (ie; not arranged) marriage between a 9 year old and an adult, we will discuss it.
Historicaly marriage was arranged between familys with little to no input from the prospective bride, who was simply a bargaining chip.
Girls did what they were told, for the good of the clan, tribe, or kingdom.
Brides seldom met their husbands untill the actual wedding.
We no longer depend on marriage to form alliances for trade and war. We have become more civilized.
You appearantly have remained stuck in the 6th century, and need to move forward or be left behind.

We too where once that backwards. We also had boys and girls becoming adults at age 10, and we had despot kings, rampant disease, ignorance, and misery. We built mud huts and stone castles.
Now we let them stay children untill 18... And we build space ships.
What do you build?

12/13/2012 6:28:23 AM

Jezebel's Evil Sister

@ Reynardine

The way I heard it, Aisha was betrothed to Muhammad at the age of six and the marriage was consummated when she was nine years old. Do you have any evidence that says otherwise? I'd sure like to see it.

12/13/2012 6:28:33 AM

Mister Spak

When you find evidence that the 9 year old had reached maturity, other than your pedophile claimed it was so, then you will have a point.

12/13/2012 6:36:19 AM


The increased rate of death for young mothers, the increased risk of becoming disabled, the mental trauma, the inability to pursue a career when pregnant thus lowering the resources for the child, the immaturity of the mother psychologically leading to mistakes and carelessness with the baby, should I go on?

12/13/2012 7:04:59 AM

Street Sharks

@ Warren McIntosh

".....stupid people judging historical events against modern morals....."

Yeah, like all those idiots who judge Hitler and the Nazis. Gassing millions of Jews was morally acceptable in Nazi Germany, therefore we have no basis to condemn them for it.

@Jezebel's Evil Sister

Yeah, Muhammad fucked a nine year old girl. No way around that one.

12/13/2012 7:48:03 AM


"... a 9 year old who has reached maturity and and puberty ..."

Find me a single nine year old who has done this.

I know people in their forties who haven't achieved maturity yet, let alone at nine years old.

12/13/2012 7:50:25 AM


@Street Sharks: Wow. Didn't expect to see a Godwin in he actual FSTDT comments.

12/13/2012 7:52:10 AM

Deep Search

Back in the day they did all kinds of messed up crap, like betroth children to much older men and then said much older men would marry and screw said children. And, really, you're going to defend that now?

Was a little confused why this was in Atheist Forums, but that's no heathen, immoral atheist, here.

12/13/2012 7:55:17 AM

Mihangel apYrs

while a 9 year old may be sexually mature, they are NOT physically mature to carry a child, nor are they emotionally mature enough to consent.

These 2 issues are the purely practical ones. Even someone like you should see there are other issues

12/13/2012 8:00:31 AM


Some 9 year-olds may be mature enough to handle it, and some 29 year-olds may not. That's why society sets a specific age, cuts out the guesswork. But seriously, 9?! As far as I know increased health means that females are entering puberty at an earlier age then years ago, but that doesn't mean that their emotional level is also advancing. In fact it might be argued that the increasing complexity of society means that the emotional component may even be delayed.

For the record I doubt that any 9 year-old would be emotionally mature enough to make such decisions, I'll only give some leeway because I'm a skeptic by nature, and willing to listen to evidence. But if you had come near my daughter when she was 9 I would have done you great physical harm. With no guilt whatsoever.

12/13/2012 8:06:18 AM


Jezebel's Evil Sister et al: I had a rather scholarly colleague from whom I got the link, which crashed with my phone, but other than that, I spent quite a few years among Muslims, both Sunni and Shia, and the consensus was that she was fourteen at marriage. The link in question said she was sixteen, but I myself think (based on what I know of tribal behavior) that fourteen was more likely. It was not the custom among Muslims to perform a marriage ceremony before both parties reached puberty, though it was often done as soon after as possible, so they might indeed be betrothed before one or both had done so. Currently, urban or educated people, though they still arrange marriages, usually wait until the parties have completed higher education; among die-hards, the bride might be as young as sixteen, but as with us, younger is considered hillbilly stuff.

12/13/2012 8:37:43 AM

Jezebel's Evil Sister

"Indeed, the evidence for Muhammad’s marriage to the young Aisha is as strong as the evidence for just about any other fact in Islam. We have copious traditions relating Muhammad’s marriage proposal when Aisha was six or seven years old, as well as his consummation of that marriage when she was nine ..."


12/13/2012 8:54:26 AM


When you can provide evidence that an adult male that desires sex with a 9 year old is mature emotionally, get back to me.

12/13/2012 8:55:18 AM


Point: "When you can provide evidence of harm done in having consensul sex in marriage with a 9 year old who has reached maturity and and puberty, other than because mommy says so, then you will have a point."

Counterpoint: The fact that sex below the age of consent is illegal in all civilised, democratic countries based on Rule of Law. Oh, and even in countries that rely on Sharia law, I don't exactly see them condoning underage sex.

...oh, and two words completely annihilates your argument: Informed Consent.

Otherwise, your Fundamentalist Islamist doctrine is paedophilic in nature. You even admit it. Therefore nothing more needs to be said, really.

12/13/2012 9:00:12 AM

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