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Dragon

The school systems have long ago failed, and here is yet more proof.

CousinTed

Goddamn it not this retarded argument again. I'm not even going to address all the things wrong with this, however I'd just like to tackle one point:

>>Or think of the sun stoking a fire just warm enough to sustain us on earth, but not hot enough to fry us or cold enough to freeze us. Who keeps the fire constant?<<

Ahem, and I quote: \"The sun is a mass of INCADESCENT GAS a gigantic NUCLEAR furnace\"

The sun isn't a goddamn fire! It's a giant nuclear reaction! Get this straight already!

Bum

You know, I love arguments that say \"This place is perfect for us, therefore there must be a divine creator.\"

Ignoring that it isn't perfect, we also have to, you know, consider that if it was inhospitable we wouldn't have evolved here to begin with.

Wow

I think George Carlin had a bit about this way of thinking.

Crosis

<<< Can you believe these things just happened? >>>

Yep.

<<< Isn't it more reasonable to believe that a supreme mind is behind all of this and everthing that exists? >>>

No.

<<< Take the deposits of coal, zinc, gold and uramium. Did they get there by accident? >>>

Yep.

<<< And what prevents lakes from freezing solid, all the way to the bottom, making it impossible for fish to survive? >>>

That would be the laws of physics.

<<< Why does the earth spin at a given speed without slowing up so that we have day and night? >>>

Ditto. It's called inertia - objects in motion tend to stay in motion.

<<< Who tilts it so that we get seasons? >>>

No one.

<<< No one really knows the why and how of magnetic pulls. >>>

Actually, we have a pretty good idea how it works.

<<< Or think of the sun stoking a fire just warm enough to sustain us on earth, but not hot enough to fry us or cold enough to freeze us. Who keeps the fire constant? >>>

The laws of physics again - a chemical reaction (fusion, specifically) occurs under intense pressure and heat, releasing even more heat.

Aesmael

Just want to add that fusion is a nuclear reaction rather than a chemical one. Otherwise, right on.

Julian

MY TURN::::
<<<Can you believe these things just happened?>>>
Yep

<<<Isn't it more reasonable to believe that a supreme mind is behind all of this and everthing that exists?>>>
No - try childish.

<<<Take the deposits of coal, zinc, gold and uramium. Did they get there by accident?>>>
WTF's uramium? Well coal's dead plants, so as the whole planet got here by 'accident' - yes. If you're talking about elements grouping together, some of that's by accident, some of it's physics. Depends on how anal you want to get.

<<<And what prevents lakes from freezing solid, all the way to the bottom, making it impossible for fish to survive?>>>
The crystalline structure of ice does not match the V shape of H20, so water by itself as a fluid is denser than ice - you also get air bubbles trapped in ice too.

<<<Why does the earth spin at a given speed without slowing up so that we have day and night?>>>
It is slowing up you fuck-knuckle and a lot of that's the moon going in the opposite direction. - about 10% in the last 500 million years. Look up 'coral clocks'.

<<<Who tilts it so that we get seasons?>>> Santa Claus? Actually I forget this one off the top of my head - there may have been a comet impact... Who cares about seasons - life would be a lot easier without them!

<<<No one really knows the why and how of magnetic pulls.>>>
Gee - Michael Faraday must've been talking out his ass. And Robert Maxwell. And Albert Einstein. Look up electronvolts and the electromagnetic spectrum then STFU.

<<<Or think of the sun stoking a fire just warm enough to sustain us on earth, but not hot enough to fry us or cold enough to freeze us. Who keeps the fire constant?\">>>
Ooooh I know this one too! ODIN!!! Bad news buttmunch - one day it's going to get a lot hotter and engulf the Earth. No we're not talking global warming!

Dan

The Earth's tilt is due to the effect of the Moon's gravity of Earth's equatorial bulge.

Oh, and it's James Clerk Maxwell, not Robert....

Crosis

<<< Just want to add that fusion is a nuclear reaction rather than a chemical one. Otherwise, right on. >>>

Good point - forgot that \"chemical reaction\" implies that the atoms remain the same. The finer points of this are probably lost on him anyway, though.

TDR

I've said it before and I'll say it again:

crack a book, moron!

NonHomogenized

What is, \"A list of questions only an idiot would ask\".

<and this one ought to be a daily double...>

Julian


Oh no - I confused a pre-eminent Scottish physicist who worked out the mechanics of light and other radiation travelling through a vacuum with someone who sells coffee.

*dies of embarrassment*

Zipperback

\"Take the deposits of coal, zinc, gold and uramium. Did they get there by accident?\"

If god really loved us he wouldn't have hidden the deposits under so much rock in such inhospitible environments. Also, where are the deposits of clean burning, inexpensive, no toxic waste fuel?

\"And what prevents lakes from freezing solid, all the way to the bottom, making it impossible for fish to survive?\"

That would be the molecular structure of water and how it loses density upon crystalization. Also you causality is reversed. There are fish because our planet has water, water was not invented to make fish happy.

\"Why does the earth spin at a given speed without slowing up so that we have day and night?\"

I think a complete lack of opposing forces has something to do with it.

\"Who tilts it so that we get seasons?\"

It's tilted, probably during it's creation in the stellar cluster or by some collision long ago, no who required. That's like leaving an old car out in the front yard for fifteen years and asking \"who rusted my car?\" Screw it, a loving god would have left the planet untilted giving a constant growing season for all life and limitless ability for agriculture, as well as saving us from seasonally based catastophies like monsoons, hurricanes and thyphoons.

\"Or think of the sun stoking a fire just warm enough to sustain us on earth, but not hot enough to fry us or cold enough to freeze us. Who keeps the fire constant?\"

To be perfectly frank, nobody does. Once the fire (nuclear fusion) runs out of fuel (hydrogen) the sun will consist mostly of helium. The helium fusion reaction will cause the sun to expand putting earth within striking distance of solar flares which will inevitable scorch all life off the face of the earth. Don't worry though, most scientists say we have about 5 billion years before the hydrogen supply gets low. It's also funny how you don't mention the other eight planets and whatever the hell the asteroid belt used to be. i mean if the Earth is the evdence of god's perfect design isn't everything else in the solar system evidence of god's 9 or more screw ups?

El Cubano

the answers: no, yes, water loses heat slower than land so it does not freeze all the way to the bottom, some sort of cataclysmic impact billions of years ago, see the last answer, and that one is true: no one can really explaine magentism. yet., its not that the earth's distance from the sun is just right for us, it's that life on earth has adapted to this temprature range, and nuclear eactions in the core of the sun

GigaGuess

"Can you believe these things just happened?"
And why not?

"Isn't it more reasonable to believe that a supreme mind is behind all of this and everthing that exists?"
Not really...if he did, he did kind of a half assed job. Volatile weather, harsh climates, a great deal of the planet uninhabitable by his "chosen" creations...

"Take the deposits of coal, zinc, gold and uramium. Did they get there by accident?"
Why not? Hell the only reason they're worth anything is because we found uses for them, not because some divine hand reached down and gave them to us.

"And what prevents lakes from freezing solid, all the way to the bottom, making it impossible for fish to survive?"
As was mentioned, water loses heat a lot slower than land does. And if lakes did freeze to the bottom you wouldn't even know what fish were, as they would have dies out quickly, so it's kinda moot. Just an animal that can survive a habitat.

"Why does the earth spin at a given speed without slowing up so that we have day and night?"
No friction in space. If there was, we'd be in big trouble.

"Who tilts it so that we get seasons?"
Why would god bother with winter? It holds no positive purpose. It makes the weather harsh and virtually unsurvivable naturally (by people) and thus renders even more of the planet unlivable without artificial means.

"No one really knows the why and how of magnetic pulls."
I don't have an answer for this one. But again, why can't it just BE?

"Or think of the sun stoking a fire just warm enough to sustain us on earth, but not hot enough to fry us or cold enough to freeze us. Who keeps the fire constant?"
So why don't we see this great stoker of the NUCLEAR FURNACE?

King Duncan

Ohh! Time for science (tm)
"Can you believe these things just happened? Isn't it more reasonable to believe that a supreme mind is behind all of this and everthing that exists?"
Yep. Nope.
"Take the deposits of coal, zinc, gold and uramium. Did they get there by accident?"
Fusion inside stellar bodies creates the heavier elements. Novae spread them across the galaxy. Heavier elements gather faster due to gravity, and end up deeper in the planets when they form.

"And what prevents lakes from freezing solid, all the way to the bottom, making it impossible for fish to survive?"
The sun, genius. More specifically, light imparts heat on the surface, and convection and currents circulate enough of the water to keep it liquid. Plus ice is lighter, so the heaviest water (at the bottom) is always 4 degrees C. About 40 F.

"Why does the earth spin at a given speed without slowing up so that we have day and night?"
An object in motion tends to stay in motion. Conservation of energy, bitch! There's negligable friction with space to slow it down. Incidentally, the moon does slow down our rotation via tidal forces. The moon being much smaller has been tidal locked already, which is why we only ever see the one side of it.

"Who tilts it so that we get seasons?"
This is so dumb I almost can't reply. The earth is tilted (as in, the rotational axis is at an angle to the perpendicular of the plane of its revolution). It remains tilted because things don't randomly change their tilt. The tilt is FIXED. Stationary! If that's the awesome power of your god, wow, just wow.

"No one really knows the why and how of magnetic pulls."
Magnetism is due to the alignment of electron spins. It is one of four primary forces of the universe. We're pretty damn close to understanding those completely. Actually gravity is a lot harder for physics to explain (although the formulae are simple).

"Or think of the sun stoking a fire just warm enough to sustain us on earth, but not hot enough to fry us or cold enough to freeze us. Who keeps the fire constant?"
Heat and light pressure from the core of the sun keep it inflated to a fairly fixed size, where the supply of hydrogen at the right pressure and heat to fuse is fairly constant. If one of those variables were differnt, the sun would stabilize at a different size.
The fact that we have evolved to enjoy the exact heat (within 100 degrees F) provided by the sun we evolved under is no miracle. After all there is no evolutionary advantage to not being able to survive the level of heat (or lack thereof) of the planet you are evolving on.

Incidentally, fire is the process of oxygen reacting with various substances (usually carbon-hydrogen structures) creating H2O, CO2, heat, and other byproducts. Fusion does not (usually) involve oxygen, so "stoking a fire" is really a bad use of words.

Think Floyd

Physics you fucktard.